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andye30m3
2,584 posts
123 months
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of the cars I've owned I'd say the integra type R and M3 CSL.
Far to easy to end up speeding in the CSL
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so called
3,504 posts
78 months
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schmalex said: My S3 Landy.
The reward on offer is getting from A to B My first TVR Tuscan but I didn't make it to B on the last trip.
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DukeDickson
3,061 posts
82 months
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Mastodon2 said: Grovsie26 said: Are you mad? Thay have so little torque and power out of VTEC you have to constantly get out and push. iirc, off VTEC they develop a good chunk of power and torque from quite low in the revs about 150-160bhp from 3000rpm, with the final surge at the top when the VTEC cam takes over. This does give the power delivery a Jekyll and Hyde character, but they aren't slouchy off the VTEC, more than enough power for day to day sensible driving. I don't quite understand this "Type Rs have no power off-cam" mindset, it's as if the people spouting this did not realise that Honda intended you to drive it to the limiter. Need some pace for a quick overtake, then keep your foot in and let it rip! The Type Rs are the king of driving hard, they do revel in blasting about. Even better with an unsilenced exhaust, ridiculous touring car noise complete with pops and bangs on every gear shift. Simply brilliant fun. No they don't. That power figure at 3,000 rpm would imply at torque figure of something like 260 lb/ft & that doesn't happen without assistance. IIRC, for the EP3 Civic the power figure just before the VTEC switch is somewhere close to 150 bhp, but that's closer to 6k rpm. However, I do agree with your general point. 150 nags in a 1200 kg hatch might not be money shot material, but it isn't quite get out and walk either. The whole VTEC thing just seems to produce some very particular views for some reason.
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benzito
1,056 posts
28 months
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as mentioned - rx8 and M3 for sure, infact any high-revving car really!
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Burgermeister
2 posts
13 months
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My Astra OPC, never fails to make me smile when I push the start button.
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Mastodon2
5,734 posts
34 months
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DukeDickson said: No they don't. That power figure at 3,000 rpm would imply at torque figure of something like 260 lb/ft & that doesn't happen without assistance. IIRC, for the EP3 Civic the power figure just before the VTEC switch is somewhere close to 150 bhp, but that's closer to 6k rpm.
However, I do agree with your general point. 150 nags in a 1200 kg hatch might not be money shot material, but it isn't quite get out and walk either. The whole VTEC thing just seems to produce some very particular views for some reason. My mistake, I was trying to recall some dyno graphs I had seen for them. In comparison, the peak torque for the CTR is 145lb-ft, a Fiesta ST has 140lbs. Both 2.0L NA engines, but the Fiesta feels a lot more "torquey" than the CTR, because it produces so much of it lower down in the rev range. On the other hand, the ST I remember having a 6500rpm red line and only 150bhp odd, whereas the CTR has another 1500rpm to rev and another 50 or so bhp on top of the ST. The ST starts to feel a bit breathless and strained towards the top, whereas a CTR doesn't, despite the similarly in torque it's the bhp that makes the difference there. Now that I think of it, the ST is another car that wants you to drive it hard, I'm just not sure it's totally cut out to the job. It certainly takes off well from lower speeds, handles decently and stops well, but the engine does just seem so coarse once toward the top of each gear. A hooligan packaging with an engine without enough finesse to really carry it off. A bit of a shame that Ford did not do a bit of fiddling to improve it, just took it out of a Mondeo and dropped it into the Fiesta.
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Daniel1
2,217 posts
67 months
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I'll throw an odd one into the mix, the original mk1 Z4. Mine was so terrible in normal driving; horrible stiff ride and the steering wheel would buck and snatch at cambers so much you required both hands on the wheel at times. BUT get it onto a road where you put your foot down and it all just worked really really well.
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Targarama
13,170 posts
152 months
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Daniel1 said: I'll throw an odd one into the mix, the original mk1 Z4. Mine was so terrible in normal driving; horrible stiff ride and the steering wheel would buck and snatch at cambers so much you required both hands on the wheel at times. BUT get it onto a road where you put your foot down and it all just worked really really well. Really? I never gelled with mine. It was a very good car, and I enjoyed many aspects about it, but it wasn't a car to grab by the scruff of the neck and thrash within an inch of its life, I felt it preferred to show me it's silky engine and sexy topless body,while not being so dirty between the sheets.
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scotty_d
5,635 posts
63 months
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RPE11Y said: scotty_d said: And so does your old Cerb  Yep Cerbs just seem to do that Scotty! Need to get a look at your work soon... Like wise need to get a look at your new one with that amazing paint work.
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schmalex
8,660 posts
75 months
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so called said: schmalex said: My S3 Landy.
The reward on offer is getting from A to B My first TVR Tuscan but I didn't make it to B on the last trip. My old TVR Taimar regularly struggled to make it to B! It did encourage you to give it some stick, though, as it was a properly lumpy bugger under about 2k revs
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EmmaJ
2,093 posts
15 months
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m44kts said: Any white van +1 especially if it's hired
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rallycross
4,657 posts
106 months
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Lupo Gti - great fun from only 120 bhp
Accord Type R - comes alive when thrashed down a B road with hidden talents
Integra Type R - this is the very definition of this thread.
Ax GT - featherweight flyer punched way above its spec sheet
306 Gti-6
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Mini Cooper 1.6 on 15" wheels with non run flats - I've had lots of Mini's including the JCW Cooper S but the most fun to be had on the road might be a bog standard 1.6 cooper on the smallest wheels/tyres - the car can be hustled along to its limit of grip on the road and shows the true extent of how good these cars are (without being over tyred and having too much grip like most).
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m44kts
703 posts
69 months
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rallycross said: Lupo Gti - great fun from only 120 bhp
Accord Type R - comes alive when thrashed down a B road with hidden talents I always wanted a Lupo GTI. Also, I could never go on a single journey in my ATR without thrashing the tits off it at least once.
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so called
3,504 posts
78 months
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schmalex said: so called said: schmalex said: My S3 Landy.
The reward on offer is getting from A to B My first TVR Tuscan but I didn't make it to B on the last trip. My old TVR Taimar regularly struggled to make it to B! It did encourage you to give it some stick, though, as it was a properly lumpy bugger under about 2k revs I was thinking more in terms of rapping it round a tree 
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schmalex
8,660 posts
75 months
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so called said: schmalex said: so called said: schmalex said: My S3 Landy.
The reward on offer is getting from A to B My first TVR Tuscan but I didn't make it to B on the last trip. My old TVR Taimar regularly struggled to make it to B! It did encourage you to give it some stick, though, as it was a properly lumpy bugger under about 2k revs I was thinking more in terms of rapping it round a tree
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zygalski
1,030 posts
14 months
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s m said: Mk2 Astra GTE 16v - loved a good drive It does beg to be thrashed. And it will be, once the rain stops 
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Grovsie26
1,302 posts
36 months
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Mastodon2 said: iirc, off VTEC they develop a good chunk of power and torque from quite low in the revs about 150-160bhp from 3000rpm, with the final surge at the top when the VTEC cam takes over. This does give the power delivery a Jekyll and Hyde character, but they aren't slouchy off the VTEC, more than enough power for day to day sensible driving. I don't quite understand this "Type Rs have no power off-cam" mindset, it's as if the people spouting this did not realise that Honda intended you to drive it to the limiter. Need some pace for a quick overtake, then keep your foot in and let it rip!
The Type Rs are the king of driving hard, they do revel in blasting about. Even better with an unsilenced exhaust, ridiculous touring car noise complete with pops and bangs on every gear shift. Simply brilliant fun. LOL, next time i will use a smilie so you know iam being sarcastic.
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silverfoxcc
1,163 posts
14 months
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Well, so far no one has mentioned a certain 'badge engineered' manufacturer, now sadly split.My Silver Spirit II likes tootling along at all the legalspeeds, my mate had a Turbo R, and by Christ that culd move, as soon as i got into it i just wanted to floor the beast, Lets say that joining the M3 at J3, it comfortably merged with and lost exisitng traffic. Had a taste of this when at the RR school, when we were in a Seraph for the morning sesion and an Arnag for PM. Roadholding, handling and grunt so much more that the 'Lady', and when it was 'suggested' by the instructor to 'make progress' the view ahead changed from road to bonnet. V Enjoyable
Ever done J turns in one?
I Have
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RobCrezz
7,554 posts
77 months
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Mastodon2 said: Grovsie26 said: Are you mad? Thay have so little torque and power out of VTEC you have to constantly get out and push. iirc, off VTEC they develop a good chunk of power and torque from quite low in the revs about 150-160bhp from 3000rpm, with the final surge at the top when the VTEC cam takes over. This does give the power delivery a Jekyll and Hyde character, but they aren't slouchy off the VTEC, more than enough power for day to day sensible driving. I don't quite understand this "Type Rs have no power off-cam" mindset, it's as if the people spouting this did not realise that Honda intended you to drive it to the limiter. Need some pace for a quick overtake, then keep your foot in and let it rip! The Type Rs are the king of driving hard, they do revel in blasting about. Even better with an unsilenced exhaust, ridiculous touring car noise complete with pops and bangs on every gear shift. Simply brilliant fun. 
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alangla
542 posts
50 months
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Focus RS. Last one I drove had an SCC 385 tuning kit fitted. Driving it was like walking an angry pit bull, constantly straining on its leash.
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