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Baz Tench
3,244 posts
59 months
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Mastodon2 said: Baz Tench said: I went on to own two of them, kept them standard and loved them. I'm a bit bored by the sound these days though.
That might be the problem. I've heard two Imprezas that were bought by people I know with standard exhausts, and they sounded like Mondeos. One got a custom exhaust and sounded great, plenty of bass and that lumpy Impreza sound really came alive, the other got a Nur Spec R, which is imo "the" Impreza sound. Both were like totally different cars afterwards. I didn't care how it sounded to the outside world really. Just liked the muted warble from where I sat.  ETA: bar the odd remap, I'm not into modding my cars as a rule....
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Mr2Mike
9,451 posts
124 months
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Mastodon2 said: Funnily enough I have a 4 cylinder with a "jap" rear can, 4" exit and it's an angled box (though it is very well fitted and the angle was obviously intentional) and it sounds anything but crap. Though I suppose if you are not a rally / touring car fan, it might be a bit overpowering for you. Everything in this thread is entirely subjective of course, but if it's on your Civic then I'm sorry to say that it almost certainly sounds terrible and it goes without saying that it looks silly; IME virtually all aftermarket exhausts for Civics sound crap. Even the standard exhaust on my EP3 is not particularly nice, it's a little too loud and raspy. I'm actually a big fan of rallying, in fact I regularly service for a friend who rallies a Civic. However, 4 inch Jap cans are not often found on any serious rally cars, because 1) They look stupid, 2) They are noisy (rally cars have to meet strict noise limits) 3) They don't make any more power than a standard straight through rear box 4)You either chop big chunks out of the rear bumper or the box hangs down so low it would be in danger of grounding on a special stage. Baryonyx said: You're not likely to find Metro 6R4 that you can drive as an every day car anytime soon though. I'm susprised at the amount of lilting wallflowers here who find the Impreza noise overpowering. There are diesels and Corsas with bean can exhausts and yet they don't like one of the all time classic engine noises? Must have ended up here by mistake whilst looking for mumsnet!  The example shown was a rally car being piloted on a special stage by one of the greatest ever rally drivers, so comparing it to another rally car seems entirely reasonable. What exactly is a "lilting wallflower"? I'm not sure why someone who dislikes the sound of a misfiring engine would be described as a flower skilled in the art of Gaelic singing, but if that is the case then I certainly must be a vocally talented flower 
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doogz
18,670 posts
56 months
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I'm struggling to see what a seemingly otherwise standard Civic with a pointlessly huge exhaust, has to do with rallying, but IME, the spoon exhaust sounds ten times better than anything else I've ever heard on a Civic.
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Mastodon2
5,737 posts
34 months
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doogz said: I'm struggling to see what a seemingly otherwise standard Civic with a pointlessly huge exhaust, has to do with rallying, but IME, the spoon exhaust sounds ten times better than anything else I've ever heard on a Civic. It's not a "pointlessly large" exhaust as I maintained a slightly larger than standard diameter in the pipework all the way from the cat to the exit, for better gas flow. If I was going down the route of looking for more power, maintaining the standard pipe size would have restricted the amount of power that would be extractable if it were standard all the way - there would be no point running a race manifold and decat if the exhaust was just bottlenecking the gas flow. For now, I'm not interested in trying to up the power, as it costs a lot of money for relatively small gains. As for Spoon, it's a good exhaust no doubt, not really that different in tone to many of the other options, but I think the Buddy Club / J's Racing or Skunk2 exhausts sound even better, but then they are effectively the same thing. The size of the centre silencer adds or removes rasp (smaller centre silencer = more rasp, I don't have one) and the size of the backbox adjusts the volume, the smaller the box the louder it is. The actual exit size is fairly irrelevant. The reason I liken it to a touring or rally car is because the raw tone of the engine, combined with the various pops, bangs and gargles that a straight through gives you are very reminiscent of a naturally aspirated NA rally car or a touring car. I know some people like quiet cruiser cars, but the Type R is sort of not at all designed to be like that. It's a bit of a hooligan, it deserves a raucous soundtrack to go with it.
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doogz
18,670 posts
56 months
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Mastodon2 said: It's not a "pointlessly large" exhaust as I maintained a slightly larger than standard diameter in the pipework all the way from the cat to the exit, for better gas flow. If I was going down the route of looking for more power, maintaining the standard pipe size would have restricted the amount of power that would be extractable if it were standard all the way - there would be no point running a race manifold and decat if the exhaust was just bottlenecking the gas flow. For now, I'm not interested in trying to up the power, as it costs a lot of money for relatively small gains. As for Spoon, it's a good exhaust no doubt, not really that different in tone to many of the other options, but I think the Buddy Club / J's Racing or Skunk2 exhausts sound even better, but then they are effectively the same thing. The size of the centre silencer adds or removes rasp (smaller centre silencer = more rasp, I don't have one) and the size of the backbox adjusts the volume, the smaller the box the louder it is. The actual exit size is fairly irrelevant.
The reason I liken it to a touring or rally car is because the raw tone of the engine, combined with the various pops, bangs and gargles that a straight through gives you are very reminiscent of a naturally aspirated NA rally car or a touring car. I know some people like quiet cruiser cars, but the Type R is sort of not at all designed to be like that. It's a bit of a hooligan, it deserves a raucous soundtrack to go with it. So, if you're not planning on going for more power, what's the point in your larger diamater exhaust system? And what does a 4 inch exhaust bring to the party, that a 3" wouldn't? To me, it seems like it's big, so it can make lots of noise. If that's what you want, that's cool, it's your car. To me, that's a bit pointless. But it's definitely not about power or gas flow, lets not kid on.
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KennyGT
630 posts
79 months
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As said:
Vauxhall Corsas all sound terrible. Dreadful infact. Them electric tiny things, microcars I think they are called, they also sound dreadful.
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doogz
18,670 posts
56 months
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KennyGT said: As said:
Vauxhall Corsas all sound terrible. Dreadful infact. Them electric tiny things, microcars I think they are called, they also sound dreadful. My mates 250bhp XE with it's 45mm SBD throttle bodies sounded pretty freakin' awesome for a 4-pot.
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housen
637 posts
61 months
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DanDC5
6,918 posts
36 months
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doogz said: My mates 250bhp XE with it's 45mm SBD throttle bodies sounded pretty freakin' awesome for a 4-pot. That'd be the engine that never came in a Corsa then...
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RagingFireBull
149 posts
12 months
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I dont like the sound of an electric car or hybrid 
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Chris71
19,985 posts
111 months
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It's not an offensive sound by any means, but I've always thought the in-cabin soundtrack to the various front engined Porsches is a bit dull for something that's supposed to be an emotive choice.
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Mastodon2
5,737 posts
34 months
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doogz said: So, if you're not planning on going for more power, what's the point in your larger diamater exhaust system? And what does a 4 inch exhaust bring to the party, that a 3" wouldn't?
To me, it seems like it's big, so it can make lots of noise. If that's what you want, that's cool, it's your car. To me, that's a bit pointless. But it's definitely not about power or gas flow, lets not kid on. Nope, it's 2.5" all the way through, which is the optimum diameter for NA Type Rs, but too small for forced induction. Adding a 3" system is great for FI but loses power on a NA Civic. Getting a 2.5" allows for potential to upgrade without affecting the drive of an otherwise unmodified car, so it seemed a better option than staying with the standard size. To start upgrading the power, I'd be looking at an induction kit, race manifold with decat, new cams, ECU upgrade and remap and then a lot of new suspension bits for a fast road set up. Not cheap, and no plans to do that at the moment, but it didn't seem sensible to hamper myself today when for no extra cost or detriment to the drive I can leave the door open for tomorrow.
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doogz
18,670 posts
56 months
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DanDC5 said: doogz said: My mates 250bhp XE with it's 45mm SBD throttle bodies sounded pretty freakin' awesome for a 4-pot. That'd be the engine that never came in a Corsa then... True. I never said it did. I just commented on the comment that all Corsas sound horrible.
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doogz
18,670 posts
56 months
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Mastodon2 said: Nope, it's 2.5" all the way through, which is the optimum diameter for NA Type Rs, but too small for forced induction. Adding a 3" system is great for FI but loses power on a NA Civic. Getting a 2.5" allows for potential to upgrade without affecting the drive of an otherwise unmodified car, so it seemed a better option than staying with the standard size.
To start upgrading the power, I'd be looking at an induction kit, race manifold with decat, new cams, ECU upgrade and remap and then a lot of new suspension bits for a fast road set up. Not cheap, and no plans to do that at the moment, but it didn't seem sensible to hamper myself today when for no extra cost or detriment to the drive I can leave the door open for tomorrow. So we're in agreement that the 4" backbox is just for noise then? As it serves no other purpose?
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Mastodon2
5,737 posts
34 months
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doogz said: So we're in agreement that the 4" backbox is just for noise then? As it serves no other purpose? Just for the look really, as I explained earlier the exit size matters little to the final tone, volume or performance of the exhaust. Mine has a backbox that is on the small side and a straight pipe running all the way to a few inches before the tip, effectively cutting the backbox out of the equation. Effectively it's a Buddy Club Spec II that looks like a Spec III. That design element is just for noise - whether or not the backbox was "in play" so to speak, matters little to performance, as once you get below a certain size and have a staight through design it doesn't hold anything back.  The pipe in mine continues up to where the 4" tip begins, and would be good for up to 250bhp according to the experience of others who have gone this route before me. Beyond that, 3" becomes a better option, but you aren't likely to get that far with an NA K20 without some serious, serious work.
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Baryonyx
6,850 posts
28 months
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The EP3 Civic Type R is a great sounding car when opened up with the right exhaust upgrades. Many Japanese 4 cylinders sound great with a decent exhaust on. The EP3 is one such car, maybe because the high revving engine provides enough drama and the tone of the engine is nice, unlike say, the flat drone of a Corsa.
Maybe it's just luck that the Japanese made such great sounding cars. Imprezas, Skylines, Sylvias, Lancer Evolutions, MR2's, RX7's, Supras etc etc.
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otolith
19,353 posts
73 months
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All entirely a matter of taste, but aesthetically I quite liked the twin pipes mine had as standard. I liked the noise it made as standard, too, didn't feel the need to change anything on that car.
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thinfourth2
23,542 posts
73 months
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RagingFireBull said: I dont like the sound of an electric car or hybrid But a hybrid is essentially an petrol car with an electric bit tacked on And i'd far rather have a nissian leaf blaring up and down past my house then some wee chav in a shopping trolley with a bean can exhaust But i'm not a real man as i don't hate electric cars
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RagingFireBull
149 posts
12 months
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thinfourth2 said: But a hybrid is essentially an petrol car with an electric bit tacked on
And i'd far rather have a nissian leaf blaring up and down past my house then some wee chav in a shopping trolley with a bean can exhaust
But i'm not a real man as i don't hate electric cars Allow me to clarify: From a driving perspective, I like to hear an engine. A g-whizz or Prius operating under electric motor does nothing for me. Ironically I was being ironic, painful I had to point that out. Goes without saying (for me at least) that I'd rather not have any car 'blaring' up and down past my house. As for you being a real man, I couldn't possibly comment.
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ChrisRS6
463 posts
52 months
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Sorry guys..
Another vote for Imprezas...
Terrible noise...even worse when fitted with a stupid looking 6 inch diameter ill fitting tailpipe.
Might of been good in the 1990,s? but just grinds on me now.
Increasingly driven by tattooed meatheads...shame really.
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