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angusc43
2,004 posts
78 months
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lippydave said: F*ck the Chinese, what about their desecration of the Western economies with their poorly designed, badly manufactured plastic s  t built by slave labour?   That's no way to talk about iPhones. Some people in the UK are very happy with them.
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Rude-boy
15,651 posts
103 months
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loveice said: If you really what to start an argument, then Let's wait another 230 years to make any kind of comparison or accusations... Whilst I hear what you are trying to get at, you are saying it all wrong and to be frank your statements are as crass in part as the poster you seek to ridicule. The Chinese have the advantage of having seen the ‘developed’ nations go through 250+ years of wrong turns, blind alleys and spectacular successes. That they only started 20 years ago should not mean that they should be treated as starting from the same level as others; they are not for one second. They have the combined knowledge of the successes and failures of 250+ years of industrial development, they have available to them the knowledge that massive coal fired power stations are only a temporary solution and will cause immense pollution in their wake. They know what we have hard to learn the hard way will actually genuinely really cause massive environmental harm. They have also adopted (note the passive wordage) product designs and processes that have taken 10’s of years for other countries to learn. Yet instead of choosing to start off and build from a 21st century level they have chosen to adopt that which is the most profitable in the short term and ignore the lessons learned about the longer term downsides to those processes. I do not withhold the right for China or any other nation to seek to move from a mainly subsistence basis to an industrial one but I do resent being told that the poor little dears should be allowed to pump as much s  t into the earth as they like on the basis of “Well you did it for 200+ years” Yes we did, then we learnt that it was not a good move for anyone so have weaned/ are weaning ourselves off it. You knew from day one, but just didn’t care in a wonderful feast of self entitlement. Truth be told it will only be when China stops copying what others started doing years before them that I will start to buy my tin foil hats.
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Kaizer
85 posts
98 months
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rm163603 said: I don't see how the example of selling a house (or not) to a Chinese person is relevant. It's the Chinese state that is responsible not the citizens. After all they can't vote their Government out.
I think whats annoying about this is how much Ferrari are kissing up to the Chinese in an attempt to placate them over what is nothing. It just underlines their power and control.
Ask yourself if they would do that here if a few tyre marks were left in Trafalgar Square. Of course not. We wouldn't even have heard about it.
It is simply because the Chinese state has the power to impact their profits that they are doing this. To me that is spineless.
I'm looking forward to the Chinese spring, I don't think we will have to wait that long. rm163603 I dear you to do donuts outside buckingham palace now, and see what's the consequences. So you know alot a things going on in China don't you, bet you haven't got a  clue!!!
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rm163603
187 posts
118 months
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Kaizer said: rm163603 I dear you to do donuts outside buckingham palace now, and see what's the consequences. So you know alot a things going on in China don't you, bet you haven't got a  clue!!! It's not me we are talking about is it? I'm saying that if a ferrari employee did that here they might get a ticket but there wouldn't be a public apology. Rather than questioning what I know why not offer an opinion, that might be more interesting...
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Rude-boy
15,651 posts
103 months
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Kaizer said: rm163603 I dear you to do donuts outside buckingham palace now, and see what's the consequences. How about number 11's outside Downing Street - I think there are a few on here that might just be  right now 
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KM666
1,017 posts
53 months
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Dragon logos? Oh dear. 
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burwoodman
1,257 posts
116 months
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rm163603 said: I don't see how the example of selling a house (or not) to a Chinese person is relevant. It's the Chinese state that is responsible not the citizens. After all they can't vote their Government out.
I think whats annoying about this is how much Ferrari are kissing up to the Chinese in an attempt to placate them over what is nothing. It just underlines their power and control.
Ask yourself if they would do that here if a few tyre marks were left in Trafalgar Square. Of course not. We wouldn't even have heard about it.
It is simply because the Chinese state has the power to impact their profits that they are doing this. To me that is spineless.
I'm looking forward to the Chinese spring, I don't think we will have to wait that long. I think you're taking a very simplistic view, whilst correct, almost all posters comments have been about the Chinese, not the politics. Business kisses ass all the time. It's a fact of life. You say it's nothing but do you understand the culture. I don't know for certain but I think it may well be a big deal.
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rev-erend
17,924 posts
154 months
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Nothing that a long spell in a Chinese jail would not cure.
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pagani1
491 posts
72 months
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Will the last dissenter escaping China switch off the electricity and deposit your organs in the "For Party Members only" receptacle provided.
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turbo-ww
1,476 posts
86 months
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burwoodman said: btw-the video of the guy doing donuts shows a Western driver -I highly doubt local dealers employ Westerners. Do you really believe Ferrari didn't have a team of people on site. It is more likely a non local wouldn't be aware of how special the site was. You have a link to that video?
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Stew2000
2,525 posts
48 months
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Ninjaboy
2,525 posts
120 months
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lippydave said: F*ck the Chinese, what about their desecration of the Western economies with their poorly designed, badly manufactured plastic s  t built by slave labour?   Lol that made me smile 
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turbo-ww
1,476 posts
86 months
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Stew2000 said: Thank you. Difficult to be sure but the pillock driver does seem to be of Western extraction. As for the 'Publicity stunt going wrong' Will Ferrari's customers in that part of the world care??
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8CLee
9 posts
59 months
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f  k em, who cares, do you think any Chiny gives two f  ks about British culture, monuments? I f  kin doubt it. Its about time the English turn the tides.
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Stew2000
2,525 posts
48 months
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8CLee said: f  k em, who cares, do you think any Chiny gives two f  ks about British culture, monuments? I f  kin doubt it. Its about time the English turn the tides. MG 
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benzito
1,056 posts
29 months
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Stew2000 said: gracias! I was desperate to see the video, not particularly eventful though
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Numeric
308 posts
21 months
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I know this is off topic but I'm sure I remember many years ago a press release from a major western manufacturer proudly boasting that they had sold a load of trucks to what was then a very emerging market. I also think that shortly after the same emerging market very proudly said they were delighted with the new trucks that were being used as mobile execution chambers rigged out for applying lethal injections so they could move away from the bullet to head thing - though I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of a Detroit office building a press officer was less humanely treated!! Mind you I could be reconstructing an urban myth as a lot of wine has flowed over the years :-)
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J4CKO
7,608 posts
70 months
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Oh FFS, it's a few Rubber marks, sort out the human rights abuses and censorship, sort out the slave labour and then we might give a thought to the tragically skidded on, fairly old, but not that old wall that actually wasn't really damaged, get a pressure washer out and make the perpatrator get hosing, but don't then execute him in the back of a van and harvest his organs to be transplanted into wealthy health tourists who turn a blind eye to the remarkable supply of healthy organs available.
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Rumblestripe
259 posts
32 months
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"the Nanjing dealership has taken the necessary actions to discipline the employee in question." He's dead. 
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mig25_foxbat2003
1,544 posts
81 months
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I liked the line in the news report - "The word Ferrari has now been blocked on Weibo".
There was no incident. There is no such thing as a Ferrari.
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