RE: Blood Brothers: Mini Coupe JCW vs Peugeot RCZ
Discussion
howardhughes said:
I saw a new, white RCZ parked with the rear spoiler left in the up position one evening a few weeks ago and in the dark with light from various buildings and street lights to illuminate it it made quite a sight. 
I'm fairly sure it was driven by a young lady and another woman mentioned the RCZ to me earlier in the day too.
I don't get the Mini Coupe at all. It's a latter day Mini Marcos.
I'm fairly sure it was driven by a young lady and another woman mentioned the RCZ to me earlier in the day too.
I don't get the Mini Coupe at all. It's a latter day Mini Marcos.
The RCZ is definitely a beautiful car, nose notwithstanding.
My perfect car would look like an RCZ, ride like an RCZ, have steering feel and build quality of a Mini and have the DAMN ENGINE IN THE MIDDLE.
A missed opportunity there to make an iconic car the would shame the Toyobaru twins.
My perfect car would look like an RCZ, ride like an RCZ, have steering feel and build quality of a Mini and have the DAMN ENGINE IN THE MIDDLE.
A missed opportunity there to make an iconic car the would shame the Toyobaru twins.
As I have said before, the RCZ is not a copy of the Audi TT, it appears to draw it's inspiration from another VW product namely this:
They have done it well and I recall that in the 70's the VW KG was deemed a bit "old hat" but it has undoubtedly matured into an unassailable classic piece of styling.
They have done it well and I recall that in the 70's the VW KG was deemed a bit "old hat" but it has undoubtedly matured into an unassailable classic piece of styling.
nickfrog said:
R I C H said:
Skater12 said:
Or just lease one and screw the depreciation!
You mean lease one and pay for the depreciation - what else is leasing?You can lease a new Merc C-class coupé, AMG Cdi 220, with metallic paint for under £300 per month on a 2 year contract if you do under 10k miles per year, with maintenance.
Now compare that to actually buying one, and the monthly figure jumps up massively, plus you'd have to pay for the servicing, and tyres etc etc.
You can lease an RCZ for similar money very easily, and I've even seen some deals down as low as nearly £200 per month.
The point I'm getting at is depreciation only really matters if you're the sort of person who wants to change their car every 2-3 years, and if that is the case then there's ways around not having it effect you so much, while actually saving money on running costs.
Sure depreciation still comes into account with leasing, but at least it's less of a factor this way.
Would have preferred a bit more emphasis on the driving impressions of the two to be honest. The article reads more like a clash of the two rival companies marketing blurb....
"the Mini Coupe tells you in no uncertain terms what's going on at the front." What does that actually mean? The mini has superior steering feel to a Lotus Elise perhaps? Hard to understand how good or bad either car is in terms of driving them. Perhaps someone interested in buying one of these cars couldn't care less how they drive, but it would still be interesting to know I reckon.
"the Mini Coupe tells you in no uncertain terms what's going on at the front." What does that actually mean? The mini has superior steering feel to a Lotus Elise perhaps? Hard to understand how good or bad either car is in terms of driving them. Perhaps someone interested in buying one of these cars couldn't care less how they drive, but it would still be interesting to know I reckon.
LuS1fer said:
As I have said before, the RCZ is not a copy of the Audi TT, it appears to draw it's inspiration from another VW product namely this:
They have done it well and I recall that in the 70's the VW KG was deemed a bit "old hat" but it has undoubtedly matured into an unassailable classic piece of styling.
Ha! I always thought the RCZ was a current version of the KG albeit with modern A-pillars and other spoilsport features. Not as good looking as the glorious Karmann Ghia but not bad in this day and age...especially for a Pug. Now if someone could just make it lighter and give it round headlights...They have done it well and I recall that in the 70's the VW KG was deemed a bit "old hat" but it has undoubtedly matured into an unassailable classic piece of styling.
RichyBoy said:
I'd take the lighter car any day, in addition that rcz is huge and for me a huge car needs a huge engine lol.
Why don't peuguot do a 106gti or rallye version of the 107 thing, that would be special.
It would but in an age of speed cameras and CCTV and massive insurance premiums, cars are increasingly about style over substance and sales to the iPad generation.Why don't peuguot do a 106gti or rallye version of the 107 thing, that would be special.
RCZ for me
bubble roof and lovely rear (and nice wheels). Seems more a cruiser which suits me just fine.
Its the only car in their range where that massive troll face/grin front end works, because the car is low and wide, not tall and narrow. Still its a face I would have to learn to love, because its not exactly pretty. I wonder if they have a face lift in the pipeline to update to their new corporate face. The 508 and new 208 have a much more appealing look to their fronts.
bubble roof and lovely rear (and nice wheels). Seems more a cruiser which suits me just fine.
Its the only car in their range where that massive troll face/grin front end works, because the car is low and wide, not tall and narrow. Still its a face I would have to learn to love, because its not exactly pretty. I wonder if they have a face lift in the pipeline to update to their new corporate face. The 508 and new 208 have a much more appealing look to their fronts.
Skater12 said:
Right, so lets use another car to make my point.
You can lease a new Merc C-class coupé, AMG Cdi 220, with metallic paint for under £300 per month on a 2 year contract if you do under 10k miles per year, with maintenance.
Now compare that to actually buying one, and the monthly figure jumps up massively, plus you'd have to pay for the servicing, and tyres etc etc.
You can lease an RCZ for similar money very easily, and I've even seen some deals down as low as nearly £200 per month.
The point I'm getting at is depreciation only really matters if you're the sort of person who wants to change their car every 2-3 years, and if that is the case then there's ways around not having it effect you so much, while actually saving money on running costs.
Sure depreciation still comes into account with leasing, but at least it's less of a factor this way.
Yes, plus a deposit of about fifteen grand. Do you not think there's a reason why most people don't drive around in brand new Mercedes coupe's!?You can lease a new Merc C-class coupé, AMG Cdi 220, with metallic paint for under £300 per month on a 2 year contract if you do under 10k miles per year, with maintenance.
Now compare that to actually buying one, and the monthly figure jumps up massively, plus you'd have to pay for the servicing, and tyres etc etc.
You can lease an RCZ for similar money very easily, and I've even seen some deals down as low as nearly £200 per month.
The point I'm getting at is depreciation only really matters if you're the sort of person who wants to change their car every 2-3 years, and if that is the case then there's ways around not having it effect you so much, while actually saving money on running costs.
Sure depreciation still comes into account with leasing, but at least it's less of a factor this way.
There you go - The best argument for the RCZ EVER!!!!! 
That Mini Coupe is a cynical, crap looking car.
M.
That Mini Coupe is a cynical, crap looking car.
LuS1fer said:
It would but in an age of speed cameras and CCTV and massive insurance premiums, cars are increasingly about style over substance and sales to the iPad generation.
What generation is that? I'm not sure if I'm being complimented on my youthful outlook or damned as over-the-hill M.
Edited by marcosgt on Friday 11th May 11:40
nickfrog said:
Skater12 said:
You can lease a new Merc C-class coupé, AMG Cdi 220, with metallic paint for under £300 per month on a 2 year contract if you do under 10k miles per year, with maintenance.
Brilliant deal, I'll have a dozen. Would you care to tell me where from ?http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/car-leasing-...
http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/business/car...
lazystudent said:
Skater12 said:
Right, so lets use another car to make my point.
You can lease a new Merc C-class coupé, AMG Cdi 220, with metallic paint for under £300 per month on a 2 year contract if you do under 10k miles per year, with maintenance.
Now compare that to actually buying one, and the monthly figure jumps up massively, plus you'd have to pay for the servicing, and tyres etc etc.
You can lease an RCZ for similar money very easily, and I've even seen some deals down as low as nearly £200 per month.
The point I'm getting at is depreciation only really matters if you're the sort of person who wants to change their car every 2-3 years, and if that is the case then there's ways around not having it effect you so much, while actually saving money on running costs.
Sure depreciation still comes into account with leasing, but at least it's less of a factor this way.
Yes, plus a deposit of about fifteen grand. Do you not think there's a reason why most people don't drive around in brand new Mercedes coupe's!?You can lease a new Merc C-class coupé, AMG Cdi 220, with metallic paint for under £300 per month on a 2 year contract if you do under 10k miles per year, with maintenance.
Now compare that to actually buying one, and the monthly figure jumps up massively, plus you'd have to pay for the servicing, and tyres etc etc.
You can lease an RCZ for similar money very easily, and I've even seen some deals down as low as nearly £200 per month.
The point I'm getting at is depreciation only really matters if you're the sort of person who wants to change their car every 2-3 years, and if that is the case then there's ways around not having it effect you so much, while actually saving money on running costs.
Sure depreciation still comes into account with leasing, but at least it's less of a factor this way.
http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/car-leasing-...
http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/business/car...
And before anyone says I cheated by showing a business users quote, here's a personal usage one for the RCZ including the VAT.
http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/car-leasing-...
http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/car-leasing-...
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