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marcosgt
6,343 posts
46 months
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There you go - The best argument for the RCZ EVER!!!!!  That Mini Coupe is a cynical, crap looking car. LuS1fer said: It would but in an age of speed cameras and CCTV and massive insurance premiums, cars are increasingly about style over substance and sales to the iPad generation. What generation is that? I'm not sure if I'm being complimented on my youthful outlook or damned as over-the-hill M.
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Skater12
409 posts
28 months
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Skater12
409 posts
28 months
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lazystudent said: Skater12 said: Right, so lets use another car to make my point.
You can lease a new Merc C-class coupé, AMG Cdi 220, with metallic paint for under £300 per month on a 2 year contract if you do under 10k miles per year, with maintenance.
Now compare that to actually buying one, and the monthly figure jumps up massively, plus you'd have to pay for the servicing, and tyres etc etc.
You can lease an RCZ for similar money very easily, and I've even seen some deals down as low as nearly £200 per month.
The point I'm getting at is depreciation only really matters if you're the sort of person who wants to change their car every 2-3 years, and if that is the case then there's ways around not having it effect you so much, while actually saving money on running costs.
Sure depreciation still comes into account with leasing, but at least it's less of a factor this way. Yes, plus a deposit of about fifteen grand. Do you not think there's a reason why most people don't drive around in brand new Mercedes coupe's!? No, a deposit of around £1500, not £15,000. http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/car-leasing-...http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/business/car...
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Skater12
409 posts
28 months
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va1o
11,766 posts
77 months
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Agree with Skater12
CH is a popular method of buying and makes a lot of sense financially
Not many people these days would pay full upfront in cash for a brand new car and then trade it in 3-years later and take the hit on depreciation.
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nickfrog
2,242 posts
87 months
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Skater12 said: Amazing. However that's half the price compared to all other derivatives of that car, even lesser ones. I don't think the price would the price but I hope I am wrong.
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Skater12
409 posts
28 months
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nickfrog said: Skater12 said: Oldest trick in the book I am afraid. When you do "Go to website" the car in question is not listed but the C180 is £500+VAT+DEPOSIT. I promise you, you pay for the depreciation in FULL (and usually more) when you lease. Ok, what a contract hire broker company does is broker deals with not only the supplier of a vehicle, but also the provider of the finance. This gets the price down for you and I. In this instance, the broker is stating you can get a deal on the diesel c-class coupe, and then when you go to their website, they use a little bit of genius to show you another deal, just in case that one also grabs your attention, and therefore keep you looking at their deals and hopefully you'll ask them a question and maybe even order a car. The deals i've listed do exist. How do I know, well because I was about to order a C-Class Coupe myself last month, but didn't for 2 reasons. A. the company I work for gave me a lump sum to go buy a car instead which i pay back at 0% interest. B. I have only recently turned 30, and therefore the insurance premium on such a car makes it less affordable, regardless of how cheap the CH quote is. ( £2200 fully comp was the lowest quote ) Deals are out there to be had, and all it takes is a bit of looking to find them. Anyone who says, "oh that deal can't be real" can't have bothered looking, or simply does not understand that depreciation and residual value mean one thing to a consumer, and a very different thing to the funding provider. Yes, you pay interest, but when it's a maintained contract on such a vehicle with high servicing costs then it makes sense, and the total amount payable over the funded period, including deposit or advance payments still means you're better off financially then you would be if you did standard Hire Purchase finance, a PCP or outright purchase. If it didn't make financial sense to do it, why would businesses be so keen do it in the first place!
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va1o
11,766 posts
77 months
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nickfrog said: Amazing. However that's half the price compared to all other derivatives of that car, even lesser ones. I don't think the price would the price but I hope I am wrong. Those prices are definitely right and have come to be expected of Mercedes these days. Big thread running in the MB thread about that and similar deals at the moment - http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...
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nickfrog
2,242 posts
87 months
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Skater12 said: Ok, what a contract hire broker company does is broker deals with not only the supplier of a vehicle, but also the provider of the finance. This gets the price down for you and I.
In this instance, the broker is stating you can get a deal on the diesel c-class coupe, and then when you go to their website, they use a little bit of genius to show you another deal, just in case that one also grabs your attention, and therefore keep you looking at their deals and hopefully you'll ask them a question and maybe even order a car.
The deals i've listed do exist. How do I know, well because I was about to order a C-Class Coupe myself last month, but didn't for 2 reasons.
A. the company I work for gave me a lump sum to go buy a car instead which i pay back at 0% interest.
B. I have only recently turned 30, and therefore the insurance premium on such a car makes it less affordable, regardless of how cheap the CH quote is. ( £2200 fully comp was the lowest quote )
Deals are out there to be had, and all it takes is a bit of looking to find them.
Anyone who says, "oh that deal can't be real" can't have bothered looking, or simply does not understand that depreciation and residual value mean one thing to a consumer, and a very different thing to the funding provider.
Yes, you pay interest, but when it's a maintained contract on such a vehicle with high servicing costs then it makes sense, and the total amount payable over the funded period, including deposit or advance payments still means you're better off financially then you would be if you did standard Hire Purchase finance, a PCP or outright purchase.
If it didn't make financial sense to do it, why would businesses be so keen do it in the first place! Interesting stuff, so what you're saying is that MB gives a HUGE discount to the funding provider (which massively reduces his exposure to depreciation) and he passes on most of it to the end-user ?
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Skater12
409 posts
28 months
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nickfrog said: Skater12 said: Ok, what a contract hire broker company does is broker deals with not only the supplier of a vehicle, but also the provider of the finance. This gets the price down for you and I.
In this instance, the broker is stating you can get a deal on the diesel c-class coupe, and then when you go to their website, they use a little bit of genius to show you another deal, just in case that one also grabs your attention, and therefore keep you looking at their deals and hopefully you'll ask them a question and maybe even order a car.
The deals i've listed do exist. How do I know, well because I was about to order a C-Class Coupe myself last month, but didn't for 2 reasons.
A. the company I work for gave me a lump sum to go buy a car instead which i pay back at 0% interest.
B. I have only recently turned 30, and therefore the insurance premium on such a car makes it less affordable, regardless of how cheap the CH quote is. ( £2200 fully comp was the lowest quote )
Deals are out there to be had, and all it takes is a bit of looking to find them.
Anyone who says, "oh that deal can't be real" can't have bothered looking, or simply does not understand that depreciation and residual value mean one thing to a consumer, and a very different thing to the funding provider.
Yes, you pay interest, but when it's a maintained contract on such a vehicle with high servicing costs then it makes sense, and the total amount payable over the funded period, including deposit or advance payments still means you're better off financially then you would be if you did standard Hire Purchase finance, a PCP or outright purchase.
If it didn't make financial sense to do it, why would businesses be so keen do it in the first place! Interesting stuff, so what you're saying is that MB gives a HUGE discount to the funding provider (which massively reduces his exposure to depreciation) and he passes on most of it to the end-user ? and who do you consider to be the end user ? It's called writing down a car. Dealerships do this with company demonstrators etc. You know how you see "ex-demo" cars reduced well past the level of depreciation, wll that's because the cars are "written down". MB and all other brands would rather have lots of cars being sold at minimal amounts when they have a new product on the roads. the residual value of the new MB Coupe for example is huge, therefore the risk of high depreciation is relatively low. Give it 3-6 months and these deals simply wont exist due to market flooding. There's always special offers brand new cars, and some crazy offers on certain models. This just happens to be one example. I've seen 320d coupe's for similar amounts, Mini JCW hatch's for the same, and then when it comes to practical cars there's even more out there. Everyone is fixated on keeping the motor industry going by supporting dealerships, but the simple fact is they cant compete with the internet brokers when the customer wants to fund their purchase, which most people do. A dealership has added costs of sales people, sales management, admin and receptioniststhat a broker can do with out, not to mention minimal overheads. This helps them keep their prices down as they dont have to pay towards the associated costs. All the broker can't do is service your vehicle, which is where the dealers come in. Give it a few years and most dealerships will no longer be selling new vehicles, just used ones and offering servicing for all.
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PK0001
33 posts
47 months
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Two very ugly sisters, at least nobody would nick them.
I just don't get the Mini 'thing'. Its just too much now with all of these mutants spawned from the original
There is an elepant in the room though. At £25k I would rather have the new Toyota / Subaru Coupe.
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hotmelt
861 posts
43 months
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I have tried both RCZ HDI and Gt 200, and larger steering wheel on Hdi was heavier and had better feel. Pity about that steering otherwise Rcz would be back to form for Peugeot. But I think Mini coupe looks better(except maybe RCZ in black colour), but this ride issues will deter many from buying it.
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ezi
828 posts
56 months
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Skater12 said: Have you sat in one?
Go to your local Peugeot dealer and actually sit in one, a GT spec if possible. You'll change your mind.
The plastics used, the leather the stitching etc etc are all spot on. Then do a direct comparison to the Audi TT spec for spec and you'll notice a massive price difference. My father bought a GT spec RCZ last month and I have to agree, the interior is rather dull. It's just a sea of grey with not much of interest, it is a nice place to be with lots of toys and it's extremely comfortable, but it's just dull.
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MrBurt
42 posts
16 months
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I think the mini adventure is about to end. My wife has a cooper clubman, yes i know one of the ugliest cars around, but there's more than looks that grip my piss. The interior quality and layout is v poor and equipment levels are crap even in cooper chill spec. Oh and don't get me stared on the boot or the weight of the doors. Ok it's the wife's car so I am allowed to hate it. Seen a few coups about and they seem to be driven by 'blokes' who do actually wear their baseball caps backwards??? Peugeot looks great on the road and would have one in a heart beat over the mini freak thing if I was 20.
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Twincharged
1,779 posts
75 months
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article said: Peugeot's first no-zero hero (the clue is in the name!) feels and sounds just as feisty as the JCW Mini - despite longer gear ratios - boasts epic levels of grip, identical performance,
MINI COUPE JCW
Top Speed: 149mph
0-62mph: 6.4secs
PEUGEOT RCZ THP 200
Top Speed: 146mph
0-62mph: 7.6secs 
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sledge68
247 posts
67 months
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AMG CDI? is it badged a 2.2 but actually its a 2.0 you can have the MB if you want people to think of you in a certain way Skater12 said:
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arkenphel
217 posts
75 months
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MrBurt said: I think the mini adventure is about to end. My wife has a cooper clubman, yes i know one of the ugliest cars around, but there's more than looks that grip my piss. The interior quality and layout is v poor and equipment levels are crap even in cooper chill spec. Oh and don't get me stared on the boot or the weight of the doors. Ok it's the wife's car so I am allowed to hate it. Seen a few coups about and they seem to be driven by 'blokes' who do actually wear their baseball caps backwards??? Peugeot looks great on the road and would have one in a heart beat over the mini freak thing if I was 20. The interior is very poor compared to what exactly? Minis and BMWs are notorious for poor spec levels as standard. That's the difference between a premium brand and a budget to "normal" brand which offers you more stuff per £££. It's an aspirational thing.
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loomx
303 posts
95 months
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The RCZ is one of the best looking pugs out, but to me that's like saying its the best looking dog turd. There are nice bits about the design but its ruined by the hideous front end, and as with all Peugeots it looks to me like different people designed different bits and they just tried to line them all up, and the design just doesn't flow. The exhaust doesn't look right either.
Its annoying, every time I see them I think that looks alright actually, then the more I look at it, the worse and worse it gets.
Personally I think the MINI looks really tidy, and I think if you see a JCW version with out the stripes they looks really good.
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Jimbo.
2,149 posts
59 months
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I've not driven, can't afford and will never be able to afford either. BUT, I love these cars. They stop every road, traffic jam and car park from being a a sea of bland, grey, TDI tedium. Got to admire the manufacturers, seemingly building these cars for the hell of it despite there it being a very limited market, and therefore very little money in it 
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Gary C
605 posts
49 months
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Humm. The mini looks bad.
The rcz looks ok, just a shame they put the family front end on it, spoils the funky overal loom
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