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veevee
Original Poster
879 posts
21 months
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D200 said: How did they do this - I find it strange that would say these are the only very specific 2 cars they will insure you on? I can’t see many of the other suggestions being much more to insure? But regardless…
Of them 2 I would go for the Golf. I have owned both in the past and liked them both equally - but finding a decent 205 GTi 1.6 with anything near the power it made when new, is extremely hard.
I was going to buy one again just under 2 years ago [205 GTi 1.6] , it was a really good car, semi restored [ie lots and lots new parts] - but I took it for a test drive it was dog slow, pure crap engine and not what I remembered my last one to be [though in fairness it was slightly tuned] but this felt far slower than my pre tuned car. And this was a well maintained car with massive history. I would want a one with a mi16 engine, or GTI6 engine etc, as the std 1.6 is just too slow, esp. if you are coming from a GTi6. Stick a Gti6 engine and gearbox in one and don’t tell the insurance company - I know you are supposed to and its illegal etc but if it was me I would lie to them, the robbing cnts. I have paid thousands to insurance companies for car insurance over the year and as I never had an accident or claim – I just gave them lots of money. So my thousands bought me peace of mind a some bits of paper Price. I thought they'd all come out fairly similar as they're all within 3 groups of each other on the 1-20 grouping. Wrong. 205 GTI 1.9 is over £1000 more than the 1.6, which makes an MI16 or GTI-6 engined one completely out of the question, although I will have a 6-engined one one day!
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Debaser
1,193 posts
131 months
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Needa308GT4 said: you've obviously never driven a well engineered, well set up FWD car with a good chassis have you? If you feel you have, please let us know! Because there a LOTS of fabulous cars that have been produced over the years that match the above. I thought you said it was about driver ability, not vehicle set up? As for the video above, I'm specifically talking about corner exit. It's as clear as anything that once the driver is on the power the car settles into understeer. The oversteer on the way into the corner looks good fun though.
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ExPat2B
1,136 posts
70 months
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This thread is a travesty, your lack of imagination and narrow mindedness will lead you into exactly the car you deserve.
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PumpkinSteve
1,815 posts
26 months
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D200 said: Personally I have never ran over a bus queue nor do I plan to in the near future However much of a s  t hot hotshot you think you are behind the wheel, I don't think many people actually plan on mowing pedestrians down.
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StoatInACoat
630 posts
55 months
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Out of all the cars you've listed and ignoring some of the bizarre suggestions I'd just fix and keep the '6. What's actually wrong with it? Not expensive or particularly difficult cars to work on and a good one will run rings round a lot of the other stuff you mention.
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300bhp/ton
26,751 posts
60 months
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veevee said: As above really. Half you've mentioned are FWD, and will not be as good out and out handling-wise as the hatches I already listed. I'm a fan of Corrados, but I'd rather have a Mk2 GTI. GTV, Porsche running costs are a no no. 200SX misses the small car mark. Kind of sounds like you've made you're mind up already, so why are you asking? BTW - have you actually ever driven anything other than a fwd hatch?
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D200
163 posts
17 months
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PumpkinSteve said: However much of a s t hot hotshot you think you are behind the wheel, I don't think many people actually plan on mowing pedestrians down. Well, as I don’t plan and running over a bus queue therefore you can deduce that I believe, in a rather big headed way, I am super s t hot hotshot topgun megadriver – move over Maldonada, Alonso and Co [or get out of the bus queue if Steve is coming] JHC
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S10 GTA
2,656 posts
37 months
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veevee said: My 306 GTI-6 is off the road indefinitely. Being a 'drivers car' is my number one criteria for buying a car, and riding my bike for the last few days has strengthened that opinion even more. So I'm in the market for a replacement car. The 306 was the best car I've ever driven, and I can't think of a better all rounder for the price, but nice ones are fairly scarce, so I've considered some other things as well. I've been to see a couple of classic minis today, but they weren't really what I had hoped for, I couldn't really get on with the gearbox, and they weren't quite as amazing in the corners as I'd been led to believe, I'm also slightly sceptical about their motorway ability, but
I do ~/<10k per year, around 10% motorways, the rest a mix, but with a fair bit of town driving (I live in London).
ETA: Need rear seats and some kind of boot.
My list so far is:
106 GTI/Rallye
205 GTI (either)
another 306 GTI/rallye
Clio 172/182
Classic mini
Anything missing?
You have missed the obvious choice. The Xsara VTS. Its very similar to the 306.
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D200
163 posts
17 months
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veevee said: Price. I thought they'd all come out fairly similar as they're all within 3 groups of each other on the 1-20 grouping.
Wrong. 205 GTI 1.9 is over £1000 more than the 1.6, which makes an MI16 or GTI-6 engined one completely out of the question, although I will have a 6-engined one one day! Interesting, and crazy, the 1.9 coming out over 1000 more than a 1.6 Are all the cars mentioned in the thread a lot more expensive the 205 GTi and Golf GTi 16v? I guess they must be And are they also more expensive that then 306 GTi-6? E.g. the Clio 172, I wouldn’t have thought the Clio would be much more expensive than a 306 GTi-6 but I guess it must be for you if you got prices on them all As stated I would get a golf GTi 16v if its between those two, give the pug’s a break then some other time get a 205 GTi with a tuned GTi-6 engine in it like the one evo featured 2 months ago, that would be the mission
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aka_kerrly
4,959 posts
80 months
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What exactly is wrong with the 306?
I find it interesting that you have narrowed your choice to a 205 GTI and a Mk2 Golf GTI when the reason you are getting a new car is that your 306 has broken down as both of those cars will require regular upkeep and I'd say you can't own either of them in less you are handy with spanners!
Also for those people suggesting various cabriolets, coupes and 2+2s, from what the OP has said "practical, rear seats + boot" he is the reason that hot hatches exist!
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Quinnaay
84 posts
14 months
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Seat Ibiza Cupra, if i had the money id get one my self.
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danyeates
4,451 posts
92 months
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Phoenix673
32 posts
37 months
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Integra Type R is the only way to go 
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veevee
Original Poster
879 posts
21 months
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ExPat2B said: This thread is a travesty, your lack of imagination and narrow mindedness will lead you into exactly the car you deserve. Thanks for that incredibly constructive piece of input there. What would you suggest then?
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veevee
Original Poster
879 posts
21 months
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300bhp/ton said: veevee said: As above really. Half you've mentioned are FWD, and will not be as good out and out handling-wise as the hatches I already listed. I'm a fan of Corrados, but I'd rather have a Mk2 GTI. GTV, Porsche running costs are a no no. 200SX misses the small car mark. Kind of sounds like you've made you're mind up already, so why are you asking? BTW - have you actually ever driven anything other than a fwd hatch? The guy went on about RWD, and then suggested Puma, Corrado, and something else! That's all! Yes, I have driven lots of other things, but I can't afford to insure anything RWD at the moment apart from maybe some of the tiny roadsters. StoatInACoat said: Out of all the cars you've listed and ignoring some of the bizarre suggestions I'd just fix and keep the '6. What's actually wrong with it? Not expensive or particularly difficult cars to work on and a good one will run rings round a lot of the other stuff you mention. I'm going to, but it's not a quick fix, my insurance has gone up, and I need a car in the meantime regardless. aka_kerrly said: What exactly is wrong with the 306?
I find it interesting that you have narrowed your choice to a 205 GTI and a Mk2 Golf GTI when the reason you are getting a new car is that your 306 has broken down as both of those cars will require regular upkeep and I'd say you can't own either of them in less you are handy with spanners!
Also for those people suggesting various cabriolets, coupes and 2+2s, from what the OP has said "practical, rear seats + boot" he is the reason that hot hatches exist! A few things, the main thing keeping it off the road is HG gone, and my renewal price! Thanks for a bit of common sense though! D200 said: Interesting, and crazy, the 1.9 coming out over 1000 more than a 1.6
Are all the cars mentioned in the thread a lot more expensive the 205 GTi and Golf GTi 16v? I guess they must be
And are they also more expensive that then 306 GTi-6?
E.g. the Clio 172, I wouldn’t have thought the Clio would be much more expensive than a 306 GTi-6 but I guess it must be for you if you got prices on them all
As stated I would get a golf GTi 16v if its between those two, give the pug’s a break then some other time get a 205 GTi with a tuned GTi-6 engine in it like the one evo featured 2 months ago, that would be the mission Odd isn't it - was told twice yesterday that insurers favoured the older cars. I would've thought newer ones would get some brownie points, as neither of those two even have an airbag! But I guess they care about what's on the outside of the car, and not what's inside! They Clio did come out about the same as the 306, which is still uber expensive! Think I'm off to find a Golf then.
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S10 GTA
2,656 posts
37 months
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veevee said: Think I'm off to find a Golf then. S10 GTA said: You have missed the obvious choice. The Xsara VTS. Its very similar to the 306.
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veevee
Original Poster
879 posts
21 months
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Oops sorry! That was the first reply I read, and I forgot about it while answering the others!
Insurance group somehow seems to be one higher than the 306, and I picked the 306 over it to begin with, so would probably do so again. I do sort of like it though, often overlooked, super sleeper.
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S10 GTA
2,656 posts
37 months
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veevee said: Oops sorry! That was the first reply I read, and I forgot about it while answering the others!
Insurance group somehow seems to be one higher than the 306, and I picked the 306 over it to begin with, so would probably do so again. I do sort of like it though, often overlooked, super sleeper. I think it is what I will be getting again if I sell the GTA. Only the phase 1 tho, phase 2 is UGLY!
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aka_kerrly
4,959 posts
80 months
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veevee said: Think I'm off to find a Golf then. Excellent choice. Having owned several 8v & 16v GTIs I am clearly biased when I say they are fantastic cars and even though I only sold one a few weeks ago I still have a 89 16v (as a restoration project) I find myself looking at 8vs as a daily driver to replace the Xsara coupe ( practically identical to a 306gti) With your budget though I'd seriously consider a Corrado, I am fortunate enough to have both G60 and VR6 variants and have driven 1.8 & 2.0 16v models. If your insurance allows it a 16v corrado offers a great package. The corrado feels like far more of a special car, you can tell they were hand built for instance compared with the mk2 they feel a lot more solid for example the panels are tougher, the fit/finish is better and the interiors (if you get a late model with black trim) are more modern and offer more creature comforts than a mk2. If you want some good information on mk2s, try this tread, http://www.vwgolfmk2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&...PLEASE IGNORE THE RUBBISH ABOUT 8v , they do not have more torque, they do not "pull" better from low revs, they have a narrowed power band than the 16v, are slower accelerating be it in gear or from standstill but I will say drive both if you get a chance to make your own mind up. If I could only have 1 mk2 it would be a 16v every time!
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fozluvscars
101 posts
14 months
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my money would be on a clio 172. you need to be all over it like beans on toast tho to make sure it's clean. if you get a good one though, you won't regret it. i'd have something like this with some change to spare - http://beta.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
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