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jbi

5,285 posts

73 months

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louiebaby said:
To address your first point:
In the text you made bold, I clearly state above 80mph. For clarification, I mean significantly above. I consider 90mph to be significantly more than 80mph. Even on three lane stretches, when two lorries start "elephant racing" this can cause the rest of the traffic to bunch up, so soon defeats any benefit of going at 90mph versus 70mph.
The obvious answer is to raise truck speed limits smile

GroundEffect

7,199 posts

25 months

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If the average speed cameras will be set at 80...why not just sat at the 70 we've up until now been happy with and not even think about them?

I don't understand those on the motorway who get themselves in a tizzy trying to stay exactly on 70mph. I very rarely even hit 70 on the motorway.

jackwootton

36 posts

13 months

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This would actually make sense, but would really suck for people who don't have Cruise Control. If they try and keep it at 80, it'll be likely that they'll drop under if they are worried about getting caught by the Average Speed Cameras. 80 MPH is what most people average on the M1 i'd say (except for lorry drivers - Limited to 56) so I can't see a limit of 80MPH causing many more accidents in the long term

Chris Stott

488 posts

66 months

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80mph limit + 10% allowance for speedo error + 2mph = realistic 90mph limit. Similar to mainland Europe. Works for me.

veevee

869 posts

20 months

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GroundEffect said:
If the average speed cameras will be set at 80...why not just sat at the 70 we've up until now been happy with and not even think about them?

I don't understand those on the motorway who get themselves in a tizzy trying to stay exactly on 70mph. I very rarely even hit 70 on the motorway.
Which motorways do you drive on regularly, out of interest? Average outside lane motorway speeds are ~85 in my experience. If you rarely hit 70, you're holding up pretty much everyone except lorries.
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Devil2575

4,402 posts

57 months

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themanwithnoname said:
louiebaby said:
In the UK, South of about Penrith, there are few places where you would be able to sit above 80mph for a long stretch, without driving like in inconsiderate moron. (During normal hours of use, anyway.)

At the age of 31, I'm finding myself quickly drawn to a 70mph, cruise control, and a decent podcast. Motorways are not the place for driving like your arse is on fire. Tracks are. Motorways are for moving a lot of vehicles long distances, quickly, efficiently and safely.

Maybe 70 mph is a bit slow, and 80mph would be fine where conditions allow, but anything more is not really sensible.
You are me AICMFP.

Seriously though. This is the post that makes sense.
I agree. Driving fast on a motorway is not fun or exciting. I leave my spirited driving to other roads and stick to 70 on the motorway.

Devil2575

4,402 posts

57 months

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RizzoTheRat said:
People's motorway cruising speeds seem to have come down a lot over the last year or two, presumably due to increasing fuel prices.
I've found this too. I've been driving to London on the M1 several times a year to stay with the outlaws for about 12 years now and recently the speeds have dropped. Not just on motorways either.

RizzoTheRat

8,068 posts

61 months

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Devil2575 said:
RizzoTheRat said:
People's motorway cruising speeds seem to have come down a lot over the last year or two, presumably due to increasing fuel prices.
I've found this too. I've been driving to London on the M1 several times a year to stay with the outlaws for about 12 years now and recently the speeds have dropped. Not just on motorways either.
I'm suprised you noticed on that stretch, the bottom end of the M1 seems to have had a 50mph limit through the roadworks for longer than 12 years biggrin

DeadMeat_UK

3,053 posts

151 months

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I'd be happy to cruise at 80. The only time I might be tempted to go over that (in theory of course) is the temptation to push on when some ML morons are forcing slower traffic into the RH lane have finally got out of the way in order to clear out of the moron zone and get some space for myself. As well as relieve some frustrations, of course smile

So if they set the limit upwards, then made investment in better lane discipline, I think they'd get most people behaving and traffic flowing much better.

crispyshark

456 posts

14 months

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Behold the 'speed tourist' will return to Francais!!! And the new socialist government will be rubbing their hands together as the cars roll off the boats.

But in all seriousness, there are still plenty of roads you can go and have fun on, hell, get up early in the morning if you are that desperate.

In all honesty there are very few times i have opened up any car i have owned to be doing upwards of instant banable speeds on the motorway....quite simply, it's not safe, there are not the opportunities and in general the people i have seen doing it drive like complete twunks.

Even at night and crusing at 100mph, how much quicker are you going to get to your final destination rather than doing 80?

Anyhow, this is all irrelevant as the money is simply not there to install all of these cameras, test them etc.

jbi

5,285 posts

73 months

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crispyshark said:
Even at night and crusing at 100mph, how much quicker are you going to get to your final destination rather than doing 80?
Lets try 300 miles (roughly London to Newcastle)

Your looking at a time saving of nearly 50 minutes at 100mph vs 80mph (3 hours vs 3 hours 48 mins)

louiebaby

5,338 posts

60 months

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The thing is, you'll never be able to cruise at 100mph except at the dead of night in a stealth car. To get a 100mph average any other time you'd need to be doing VERY silly speeds in between other people pulling out to pass things.

I know that if I set the cruise at 70mph, I'll realistically cover 60 miles every hour, maybe a little more if I'm lucky. I arrive at the destination a little later, with more fuel in the tank, and not wired and looking like an epileptic nun who's had her first ever Red Bull.

Since a lot of the longer drives I seem to do are to the Mother-In-Law's, I'm not too worried about getting there 10 minutes earlier.

GroundEffect

7,199 posts

25 months

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veevee said:
GroundEffect said:
If the average speed cameras will be set at 80...why not just sat at the 70 we've up until now been happy with and not even think about them?

I don't understand those on the motorway who get themselves in a tizzy trying to stay exactly on 70mph. I very rarely even hit 70 on the motorway.
Which motorways do you drive on regularly, out of interest? Average outside lane motorway speeds are ~85 in my experience. If you rarely hit 70, you're holding up pretty much everyone except lorries.
M25, M11, M1, M8 (when I'm at home). I sit in the inside lane pretty much all the time...

I'd rather get there a little late and a lot less stressed.

When I want to have fun in a car, I can think of thousands of better places than a 2-4 lane piece of fairly straight tarmac. And it's not like my car is slow - limited to 155mph...

crispyshark

456 posts

14 months

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jbi said:
crispyshark said:
Even at night and crusing at 100mph, how much quicker are you going to get to your final destination rather than doing 80?
Lets try 300 miles (roughly London to Newcastle)

Your looking at a time saving of nearly 50 minutes at 100mph vs 80mph (3 hours vs 3 hours 48 mins)
louiebaby pretty much answered the question on this one if i'm honest mate. You won't be able to drive at 100mph all the way and even if you did you really are tempting trouble by going at that speed for that long....I'm not anti-speed, far from it, i've got points, but at the same time that is asking for a ban.

The Black Flash

4,257 posts

67 months

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Since when did this forum turn into "over 80 mph is dangerous-heads" ? rolleyes

bennyboydurham

1,207 posts

43 months

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I'm not a regular motorway driver but when I am I find motorways boring so the 80mph limit makes much more sense to me if you want to crack on. Given the 10% speedo error that they will have to build on then it seems likely that if you keep it under 90 then you'll not be bothered by the Old Bill.

I love the French autoroutes where you can zip along at 90 for hours on end, as there are few HGVs and lane discipline is great. Sadly in this country our motorway network is woeful and hugely congested. Taxing foreign wagons would be a start, more no overtaking zones for HGVs to stop elephant racing (the single most piss boiling occurrence on a long journey for me) and crack down on middle and fast lane dawdlers. Perhaps a much faster moving lane 3 will help force the 58mph socks, sandal and Kia Magentis brigade into lane 1 and keep them there!

Captain Muppet

5,937 posts

134 months

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The Black Flash said:
Since when did this forum turn into "over 80 mph is dangerous-heads" ? rolleyes
Is anyone saying it's dangerous to do more than 80? I was reading it as "not enough fun to be worth the risk of getting points".

crispyshark

456 posts

14 months

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Captain Muppet said:
The Black Flash said:
Since when did this forum turn into "over 80 mph is dangerous-heads" ? rolleyes
Is anyone saying it's dangerous to do more than 80? I was reading it as "not enough fun to be worth the risk of getting points".
that was exactly my gist! smile

jbi

5,285 posts

73 months

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crispyshark said:
jbi said:
crispyshark said:
Even at night and crusing at 100mph, how much quicker are you going to get to your final destination rather than doing 80?
Lets try 300 miles (roughly London to Newcastle)

Your looking at a time saving of nearly 50 minutes at 100mph vs 80mph (3 hours vs 3 hours 48 mins)
louiebaby pretty much answered the question on this one if i'm honest mate. You won't be able to drive at 100mph all the way and even if you did you really are tempting trouble by going at that speed for that long....I'm not anti-speed, far from it, i've got points, but at the same time that is asking for a ban.
I'm just being a pedantic arse smile

dcb

4,442 posts

134 months

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jbi said:
Lets try 300 miles (roughly London to Newcastle)

Your looking at a time saving of nearly 50 minutes at 100mph vs 80mph (3 hours vs 3 hours 48 mins)
Questionable maths. I make it 45 minutes, which for Mr Joe Bloggs
on £10 an hour, is a time saving of £7.50. Bargain.

Mr Posh Bloke, on £100 an hour, and presumably in his top of
the range car, gets to save £75. Outrageous bargain and most
of another tank of petrol.

The numbers add up, in the middle of a recession.




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