RE: Time for tea? Another retro Skyline 'moment'
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CalibreDan said:
Random fact: The clip of Gan-San doing Fuji in the Hakosuka came from a Best Motoring DVD. I cut the clip out YEARS ago to post on a forum, since then its got everywhere! lol
Pity you didn't cut the clip out of an original Japanese market DVD. Then we could have been spared the daft American-accented mispronunciation of 'Hakosuka GT-R' as "Harka SOOKER gee dee arr". Correct pronunciation is more like "Hack-Oscar", without the gap...
neema_T said:
I came into possession of every BMI DVD some time ago, best thing I've ever found on the internet I must say. I had suspected that clip was from BM, so I was pleasantly surprised when I was watching one about a year ago and that clip came on. I didn't even know my TV could go as loud as it did that day...
From your thread, Dan, my definite dream car:
Love that photo. Need to up the saving me thinks. Just hope my heart rules when I have enough dough and don't opt for something more sensible...From your thread, Dan, my definite dream car:
Edited by neema_T on Tuesday 15th May 10:41
TheHeretic said:
Which is important.
It's absolutely vital...TheHeretic said:
Feel free to rip it yourself in the original japanese.
Got the original DVD, thanks. Anyway, these are much more my cup of tea:
http://youtu.be/gUf0tnRVocY
http://youtu.be/LaHBjJ8AcOw
trickymex said:
I'm already talking to newera imports and the gtr shop about pricing, looks as though you could get a rep for around 15k. Seems reasonable to me, just need to sweet talk the missus a bit more lol
A rep at that money would be an epic vehicle choice. Crikey, I'd even cope with a truly w
k daily driver to have that sat on the drive aswell 
trickymex said:
I'm already talking to newera imports and the gtr shop about pricing, looks as though you could get a rep for around 15k. Seems reasonable to me, just need to sweet talk the missus a bit more lol
Let us know how you get on. In not in a position this year, but next year definitely if they're at £15kPZR said:
sisu said:
The Antipodeans and the Yanks are way ahead of you guys, they ship boat loads of the cars out of Japan.
"Boatloads" is quite an exaggeration.... sisu said:
...a range of Nissan Skylines rangeing from the C110 60's stuff thru the Kenmeri and estates and other st that doesn't make it to the UK.
I think you're a little confused. The C110-series Skyline debuted in late September 1972 ( so it's not "60's stuff" ), and the C110-series IS the 'Ken & Mary' / 'Kenmeri' shape ( C10-series was known as the 'Hakosuka' shape in the local vernacular ). t that doesn't make it to the UK.sisu said:
The Nissan 2 door Skyline came with the L series 6-cyl the same as the 240Z.
"Not quite. KGC10 ( two door 'Hard Top' GT and GT-X models ) came with the L20A engine: a 12 valve SOHC two litre straight six that was in the same family as the L24 engine of the '240Z' models, but with a shorter stroke, smaller bore, smaller valves and smaller carburettors. They are good engines, but many KGC10s will have lost their original L20A engine over the years ( replaced with later - modified - L28s ) or have been uprated and tuned in some shape or form. Such cars - and this is true for all modified C10s - have to be viewed on a case-by-case basis. This is what makes them so tricky to buy remotely, and the best cars don't go through the auctions.""There were also the 'short front' KC10 ( two door hard top 4-cyl G15 engined model ) and KPC10 ( two door hard top 4-cyl G18 engined model ) to watch out for. Not all the two doors had 6-cyl engines."
sisu said:
The GTR is a 2 litre cross dohc crossflow 6 cly. The carbs are on the drivers side. The power from this and a larger capacity (2.6-3.2) L series engine is academic. They don't make aftermarket tuning bits for the GTR, but a world of L series stuff.
"There's obviously a whole world of S20 twin cam tuning parts that you don't know about then. I can assure you that the sky's the limit. Or rather your wallet is." From what I have seen when I was in Japan there were guys tuning S20 engines and there are people who tune them. It is a better engine to start with, but this was very expensive and quite limited as you yourself have mentioned that is why there are many of the You also seem to be comparing virtually stock GT-Rs to modified L-series engined models. Any KGC10 with a "2.6-3.2" L-series 6 is going to have to be judged on a case-by-case basis. Buy one from one of the sources you suggest and you are very likely to end up with very little real data about what you've got, or even who modified it. Buy wisely and you might end up with something good. Buy unwisely and you might end up with a money pit....
Well WTF would you call that then? >>>>>
-My mistake, C10 instead of C110
-So what you are saying is that it is an L-series engine, but if it has been changed it is OK but would have to be approved by yourself? The reason why I put the link to J-cars.com.au is that is what they sort out for you a man on the ground who speaks Japanesse.
-"There were also the 'short front' KC10 (Not all the two doors had 6-cyl engines." No s
t that is why I said there are lots of other models and versions that never got exported. See above-"There's obviously a whole world of S20 twin cam tuning parts that you don't know about then. I can assure you that the sky's the limit. Or rather your wallet is." I agreed with you there are people who tune the S20 engine in Japan. You can get 200hp out of them. But they lack torque and are an expensive race engine even in Japan. Which comes back to what you and I have both mentioned, they think f
k it why not do just go for a larger capacity, more powerful/torquey l-series engine. Sure there are goíng to be people like you checking the red sticker on the steering wheel saying it is a C10GT not a true GTR. Mehsisu said:
"Boatloads" is quite an exaggeration...."
Well WTF would you call that then? >>>>>
Obviously it's a car Ro-Ro car transporter ship. Are you saying that it's chock full of C10-series Skylines? Well WTF would you call that then? >>>>>
Yes, "boatloads" is quite an exaggeration. There's probably less than 25 C10-series Skylines in the USA and Canada, and I reckon about the same in Australia and NZ. I've quoted the four I know of in the UK. There's one in Germany, a few original LHD export models floating around in northern Europe and the Benelux area, and a handful in Portugal. Obviously a few we don't know about. Not many. Probably way short of 100 cars total as 'grey' exports from Japan. That's not "boatloads", is it?
As for genuine C10 and C110-series GT-R's, by my reckoning there's only four cars currently outside Japan: One PGC10 in South Africa, a KPGC10 and KPGC110 in California ( both owned by the same guy ) and a KPGC10 here in the UK. That's it. Four. Unless you know better...?
sisu said:
So what you are saying is that it is an L-series engine, but if it has been changed it is OK but would have to be approved by yourself?
No. Your post was confusing the issue. I attempted to clarify. The cars you are talking about came with L-series sixes as stock fitment, but they were two litre versions. Many KGC10s have been modified to look like KPGC10s and many have received engine transplants ( often a modified L28 ) but the point is that the stock engines are nothing like the cars in these videos have. Therefore, each modified car should be viewed on a case-by-case basis. Buyer beware. Simple. The bit about being "approved" by myself is in your head, not mine. sisu said:
The reason why I put the link to J-cars.com.au is that is what they sort out for you a man on the ground who speaks Japanesse.
In my experience ( and you can even see it in this thread ) the main stumbling block is not one of language, it's one of potential buyers who often don't know very much about the cars in stock form, let alone in modified form. In some cases, they are even confused about what they actually want ( saying they want a KPGC10 when a modded KGC10 would be more suitable for them ) and have little chance of telling the difference between a good car and a bad car. Throw an agent / exporter / importer who actually knows very little about the models in question into the mix and you have a recipe for misunderstanding and potential disappointment. Language is a side issue in my opinion. sisu said:
There were also the 'short front' KC10 (Not all the two doors had 6-cyl engines." No st that is why I said there are lots of other models and versions that never got exported.
I'm answering not what you meant, but what you actually wrote. You wrote: "The Nissan 2 door Skyline came with the L series 6-cyl the same as the 240Z." That's clearly incorrect, isn't it? There were 4-cyl G-series engined two door models in the range, and the L20A engine was related to the L24 of the 240Z but is a different animal in many respects. If you're advising laymen, you have to take these things into account.t that is why I said there are lots of other models and versions that never got exported. sisu said:
"There's obviously a whole world of S20 twin cam tuning parts that you don't know about then. I can assure you that the sky's the limit. Or rather your wallet is." I agreed with you there are people who tune the S20 engine in Japan. You can get 200hp out of them. But they lack torque and are an expensive race engine even in Japan. Which comes back to what you and I have both mentioned, they think fk it why not do just go for a larger capacity, more powerful/torquey l-series engine.
No, you wrote: "They don't make aftermarket tuning bits for the GTR, but a world of L series stuff." If you don't like being picked up on it, then don't write it. There IS - always has been - a wealth of tuning equipment for the S20 twin cam ( Nissan's 'Sports/Race Option' parts lists from 1969-on for a start... ) so don't write that there isn't. I can assure you that the 'R Factory' built car that is the subject of so many YouTube clips has way over 200hp, and it's not all that short of torque either. The point is that the S20 is quite a different animal to the L-series six, and anybody who buys a run of the mill modified KGC10 thinking it will automatically be as good as Eric's KGC10 ( the subject of this thread ), let alone the 'R Factory' KPGC10 from the YouTube clips, is going to be both surprised and disappointed. k it why not do just go for a larger capacity, more powerful/torquey l-series engine.sisu said:
Sure there are goíng to be people like you checking the red sticker on the steering wheel saying it is a C10GT not a true GTR. Meh
Well, I reckon I know what I'm talking about at least. So what's your personal experience / expertise with these cars? CalibreDan said:
Camry_Man said:
Try here
http://exchange.goo-net.com/ , choose Nissan, Skyline and age under 1990.
Original GT-R's usually go for north of US$90k + although you can get a KGC 2.8 conversion for considerably less.
Plenty of eye candy on here at the moment.
Stu
What a dangerous website! I think in a couple of years I'll be looking VERY intently on there.http://exchange.goo-net.com/ , choose Nissan, Skyline and age under 1990.
Original GT-R's usually go for north of US$90k + although you can get a KGC 2.8 conversion for considerably less.
Plenty of eye candy on here at the moment.
Stu
Camry_Man said:
Great site, now I just need the money for the car I've just chosenhttp://exchange.goo-net.com/usedcars/NISSAN/SKYLIN...
Think i'd sell a kidney for this
PZR said:
thewheelman said:
DanDC5 said:
thewheelman said:
Think i'll take the Hakosuka out for a spin this evening 
Pics pics pics pics pics pics pics pics pics pics pics please? 
As far as I am aware, there are currently only four C10-series Skylines in UK: One silver GC10 ( four door GT ) near Newark, one silver KGC10 ( two door GT-X ) currently under full restoration / modification in the North East of England, one totally unroadworthy and decrepit silver KGC10 ( two door GT ) near Swindon, and one KPGC10 ( two door GT-R ) historic race car in North London. That's it. Four cars.
Your appointment with a tin of custard is creeping ever closer....
Why exactly would i just post pics of my Hako? As far as i recall until this thread i've never once been ask to post pics. As for spec & colour, i've already mentioned that in the past, so your stalking skills are slipping somewhat. Also mentioned before was that i had the car imported from Japan earlier this year.
As for do i have some pics, yes, i do. I have pics of more than 300 cars that i've bought/sold over the years, but i also don't feel the need to rush to post those either.
Not really sure what your problem is, i just hope you get the help you require.
thewheelman said:
Wow, you seem to have a problem little fella.
Judging by your 'About Me' page, I think it's you that's got a few problems, 'big' fella.thewheelman said:
Why exactly would i just post pics of my Hako?
First reason might - hopefully - have been that you were happy with it, proud of it, and wanted to share your experiences of looking for it, purchasing it, importing it and actually owning it. How's that for starters? You don't seem to be shy of mentioning it in your posts on Pistonheads, so what's the hang up about telling us anything more concrete about it, or posting pics? As I think I've made clear on this thread and others, there's a dearth of C10-series Skylines in the UK ( just four cars, and only two in running / driving condition at this point ), and any new arrival would be of interest to a lot of people ( several on this thread alone ).
thewheelman said:
As far as i recall until this thread i've never once been ask to post pics.
Oh yes you have:http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
thewheelman said:
As for spec & colour, i've already mentioned that in the past, so your stalking skills are slipping somewhat. Also mentioned before was that i had the car imported from Japan earlier this year.
I'm not stalking anybody. It's just that Pistonheads has a reputation for keeping people honest, so if you say that you own a certain car you may well be asked to prove it ( do you have a tin of custard handy? ). Shouldn't be a problem really, should it? If you're enthused enough to join in with a thread about these cars, then you should be enthused enough to share your personal experience of them and give some tips / pointers to others who might want to buy one. Even if your experiences were bad they'd give useful feedback that would help others.thewheelman said:
Not really sure what your problem is, i just hope you get the help you require.
I don't think I have a "problem" as such, and you can give some "help" by posting full details of your car, along with photos and some proof of ownership. It's otherwise known as The Custard Test. You know what to do....Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff