Clio trophy or jdm integra dc2

Clio trophy or jdm integra dc2

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DanDC5

18,745 posts

166 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Why is image even an issue on cars like this? This image crap seems to appear in way too many threads recently, especially for cars like this. It's actually quite sad frown

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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f1nn said:
In the same way as most Integra's look like Type R's apart from wheels and styling differences, then yes I agree.

My point was that the Clio Trophy is superior to a Clio Cup in terms of it's ride/handling compromise.
The Integra was only sold as a Type R in the UK though. Even JDM imports tend to be the Type R version.

DanDC5

18,745 posts

166 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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300bhp/ton said:
The Integra was only sold as a Type R in the UK though. Even JDM imports tend to be the Type R version.
Not true they were sold in a few different models over the years

86-89 the following models were available in the UK

1.5 DX 5d
1.5 DX 5d Auto
1.5 LX 5d
1.5 LX 5d Auto
1.6 EX 16 5d

The Type R models didn't come until the later 1995-on version.

Hoygo

725 posts

160 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Get the trophy,newer,faster,as focused as the teg but can be more fun on a typical B-road.

Also the dampers are perfect for some track action and clearly shows some superiority compared to the teg for its capabilities/track times etc.

The fact that looks like a normal Clio is a plus,you can suprise a lot of people that think it's just a 1.2.When in the teg a lot of boy racers will try to race you etc.

Drive them both thought,and on another note the sound of the Dc2 is much better than clios,other than this the Trophy is better on any thing else IMO.

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

217 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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DanDC5 said:
Why is image even an issue on cars like this? This image crap seems to appear in way too many threads recently, especially for cars like this. It's actually quite sad frown
Because these cars are that good, that is why. They are so close in many respects so why not argue the point about looks? Spending 5k on a car is not just about the machanicles it's also about the looks. I think trophies look great by the way but there is nothing wrong with worrying about how you are perceived. It is a fact of like that we care about these things. So back to my point teg wins :-)

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

217 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Hoygo said:
Get the trophy,newer,faster,as focused as the teg but can be more fun on a typical B-road.

Also the dampers are perfect for some track action and clearly shows some superiority compared to the teg for its capabilities/track times etc.

The fact that looks like a normal Clio is a plus,you can suprise a lot of people that think it's just a 1.2.When in the teg a lot of boy racers will try to race you etc.

Drive them both thought,and on another note the sound of the Dc2 is much better than clios,other than this the Trophy is better on any thing else IMO.
Facts and figures on your assumptions? I do not believe it is faster but surprise me.

Hoygo

725 posts

160 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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vz-r_dave said:
Facts and figures on your assumptions? I do not believe it is faster but surprise me.
0-62 6,6 ,0-100 17,2 official for the Trophy

0-62 6,9 ,0-100 17,9 official for the Teg

That really is not a big difference but by faster i meant that the newer car hasn't lost as much original power as a 10+ years old car would.

And in gear acceleration (60-100) for example in the teg you got to change to 4th and it isn't as favored as the Trophy when you can take it all in 3rd.

As for track times i can only relate to Bedford when both cars are tested,Trophy time 1.33.8 when the DC2 was some seconds slower and it didn't make it to the Top times leaderboard.

Phoenix673

32 posts

166 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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DC2 all the way...............I still have mine after buying it 11 years ago and I can't bear to part with it so I keep it alongside my GT3 RS and sometimes, I prefer to take the DC2 rather than the Pork for a quick blast!

melvster

6,841 posts

184 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Not driven either so not going to comment on the driving experience.

I think PH is getting too heated these days, you can't say your opinion and if you do like James did, you end up getting a pasting from other members; ok, James's comment may have been a little vague or irrelevant to why he prefers the Clio rather than a DC2 in terms of the Clio is better for overtaking ?, as another member said, the Clio will reach peak power similar to the DC2 i.e, high up the revs.

Only advice/tips i would say are, budget around £350-500 for the Damper re-build on the Trophy, they use unique "Sachs" racing dampers, totally different to a regular 182 Cup, so if you go for the Trophy, find out when they were last rebuilt or if they are awaiting a rebuild.

wy906

3,169 posts

173 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Hoygo said:
As for track times i can only relate to Bedford when both cars are tested,Trophy time 1.33.8 when the DC2 was some seconds slower and it didn't make it to the Top times leaderboard.
I don't recall EVO had ever tested Integra at Bedford. Was it from a different magazine?

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

216 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Hoygo said:
0-62 6,6 ,0-100 17,2 official for the Trophy

0-62 6,9 ,0-100 17,9 official for the Teg

That really is not a big difference but by faster i meant that the newer car hasn't lost as much original power as a 10+ years old car would.

And in gear acceleration (60-100) for example in the teg you got to change to 4th and it isn't as favored as the Trophy when you can take it all in 3rd.

As for track times i can only relate to Bedford when both cars are tested,Trophy time 1.33.8 when the DC2 was some seconds slower and it didn't make it to the Top times leaderboard.
I've driven the 182 Trophy and owned a DC2 (as well as an EP3).

The 182 is more fun than an EP3, but the DC2 walks over both of them. The Integra is much more of a machine. It feels lithe and alive, whereas the EP3 and Clio just feel like pokey versions of basic hatchbacks.

With skinny tyres on little wheels and no overbearing power output, the Integra might not be the fastest in a straight line or even around a track, compared to over-tyred, new equivalents, but it's a damn site more fun to drive.

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

217 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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melvster said:
Not driven either so not going to comment on the driving experience.

I think PH is getting too heated these days, you can't say your opinion and if you do like James did, you end up getting a pasting from other members; ok, James's comment may have been a little vague or irrelevant to why he prefers the Clio rather than a DC2 in terms of the Clio is better for overtaking ?, as another member said, the Clio will reach peak power similar to the DC2 i.e, high up the revs.

Only advice/tips i would say are, budget around £350-500 for the Damper re-build on the Trophy, they use unique "Sachs" racing dampers, totally different to a regular 182 Cup, so if you go for the Trophy, find out when they were last rebuilt or if they are awaiting a rebuild.

Lol he was the one who got heated after telling fibs. I think this has been an interesting thread and most of it beig around preference and fact.

S3_Graham

12,830 posts

198 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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vz-r_dave said:
f1nn said:
Hmmm.......Don't get me wrong as I am a massive fan of both the DC2 and the Trophy, but lets be honest about image here, to the man in the street I'm not sure the red seats (and yes I know black and red Teg's have black recaros) and the large rear wing are especially desirable.

Chavvy hatch or chavvy "coupe"?

I know I'm doing both of these fine cars a dis-service, and yes to most enthusiasts these are desirable cars, but lets have a bit a realism when we talk about image, I certainly don't think an DC2 ITR is any better than a Clio trophy in this respect.
I have no idea, to me thy are both great cars but I am going on the basis of comments from the OH that she liked the teg and loved the seats for sleeping in ;-) when she see's a Clio she doesn't know the difference and probably doesn't thinks it "chav" either but who knows. She thinks "my mum has a clio or my sister"perhaps. The teg to the average joe looks like sports car, Clio a hatch and to the more than average joe a cup looks chav? Hmmm Sorry for the terrible English, on an iPhone
Ha my OH is exactly the same. She loves the look of the teg. However I show her a 740 or e39 M5 and all I get is, oh another old BMW etc etc...

I don't know about sleeping in the seats either.... 70mph is almost unbearable!

muffinmenace

1,029 posts

187 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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wy906 said:
I don't recall EVO had ever tested Integra at Bedford. Was it from a different magazine?
Not sure on that point but Evo always tested the UK variant. I know that's acceptable at the time of print 12 years ago with comparing cars that were actually for sale at the time but there's just as many JDM for sale now as UKDM. The UK is quite constrained compared to the Jap version, it's not much to fix that though.

DanDC5

18,745 posts

166 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Hoygo said:
0-62 6,6 ,0-100 17,2 official for the Trophy

0-62 6,9 ,0-100 17,9 official for the Teg

That really is not a big difference but by faster i meant that the newer car hasn't lost as much original power as a 10+ years old car would.

And in gear acceleration (60-100) for example in the teg you got to change to 4th and it isn't as favored as the Trophy when you can take it all in 3rd.

As for track times i can only relate to Bedford when both cars are tested,Trophy time 1.33.8 when the DC2 was some seconds slower and it didn't make it to the Top times leaderboard.
Don't believe the paper figures, DC2's have been timed a lot quicker than Honda's quoted figures. And I've seen more than one DC2 leave 182's on a side by side 'comparison'

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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f1nn said:
Hmmm.......Don't get me wrong as I am a massive fan of both the DC2 and the Trophy, but lets be honest about image here, to the man in the street I'm not sure the red seats (and yes I know black and red Teg's have black recaros) and the large rear wing are especially desirable.

Chavvy hatch or chavvy "coupe"?

I know I'm doing both of these fine cars a dis-service, and yes to most enthusiasts these are desirable cars, but lets have a bit a realism when we talk about image, I certainly don't think an DC2 ITR is any better than a Clio trophy in this respect.
For me the difference is, the ITR looks like a performance coupe, ok the big wing isn't to all tastes and some will call it chavvy. But on the flip side the Clio looks like a hatchback that your gran might drive. Extra urban trim might spruce it up a bit, but it doesn't change the fundamental shape or what it is.

roystinho

3,767 posts

174 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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I've never been in a Teg, but owned a Clio Trophy. It is by far the most fun car I've had the pleasure of owning. I live in Yorkshire and the Dales are only a stones throw away. There's not much that would keep up to a Trophy around those roads or give you as much seat of the pants thrills.

Have a go in both and make your own mind up though, you're only gonna get (mainly) biased opinions when you open the debate up.

Good luck in whatever you choose

melvster

6,841 posts

184 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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300bhp/ton said:
But on the flip side the Clio looks like a hatchback that your gran might drive. Extra urban trim might spruce it up a bit, but it doesn't change the fundamental shape or what it is.
Don't most hot hatchbacks look like this to the untrained eye ?

Hoygo

725 posts

160 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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wy906 said:
I don't recall EVO had ever tested Integra at Bedford. Was it from a different magazine?
It was from the "Best front wheel drive" issue iirc,but might be earlier im not sure.

Hoygo

725 posts

160 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
I've driven the 182 Trophy and owned a DC2 (as well as an EP3).

The 182 is more fun than an EP3, but the DC2 walks over both of them. The Integra is much more of a machine. It feels lithe and alive, whereas the EP3 and Clio just feel like pokey versions of basic hatchbacks.

With skinny tyres on little wheels and no overbearing power output, the Integra might not be the fastest in a straight line or even around a track, compared to over-tyred, new equivalents, but it's a damn site more fun to drive.
Well same here but i would class the Trophy first,maybe the DC2 i driven 92k on the clock was a bit tired but the Trophy felt much more lively to me,as i said the Trophy being the newer car favors it most of the time,but each one to its own.

And yes,i think manufacturer times aren't that accurate,faster acceleration times can be found for both cars.