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melvster

6,643 posts

72 months

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300bhp/ton said:
But on the flip side the Clio looks like a hatchback that your gran might drive. Extra urban trim might spruce it up a bit, but it doesn't change the fundamental shape or what it is.
Don't most hot hatchbacks look like this to the untrained eye ?

Hoygo

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48 months

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wy906 said:
I don't recall EVO had ever tested Integra at Bedford. Was it from a different magazine?
It was from the "Best front wheel drive" issue iirc,but might be earlier im not sure.

Hoygo

724 posts

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10 Pence Short said:
I've driven the 182 Trophy and owned a DC2 (as well as an EP3).

The 182 is more fun than an EP3, but the DC2 walks over both of them. The Integra is much more of a machine. It feels lithe and alive, whereas the EP3 and Clio just feel like pokey versions of basic hatchbacks.

With skinny tyres on little wheels and no overbearing power output, the Integra might not be the fastest in a straight line or even around a track, compared to over-tyred, new equivalents, but it's a damn site more fun to drive.
Well same here but i would class the Trophy first,maybe the DC2 i driven 92k on the clock was a bit tired but the Trophy felt much more lively to me,as i said the Trophy being the newer car favors it most of the time,but each one to its own.

And yes,i think manufacturer times aren't that accurate,faster acceleration times can be found for both cars.

300bhp/ton

29,629 posts

77 months

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DanDC5 said:
Not true they were sold in a few different models over the years

86-89 the following models were available in the UK

1.5 DX 5d
1.5 DX 5d Auto
1.5 LX 5d
1.5 LX 5d Auto
1.6 EX 16 5d

The Type R models didn't come until the later 1995-on version.
Well they must have sold sufficiently few of them that you never see them on the roads. At least I have no recollection of seeing a non Type R Integra in the UK bar one scruffy JDM example some 6 or so years back.

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Wednesday 16th May 15:45

300bhp/ton

29,629 posts

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melvster said:
300bhp/ton said:
But on the flip side the Clio looks like a hatchback that your gran might drive. Extra urban trim might spruce it up a bit, but it doesn't change the fundamental shape or what it is.
Don't most hot hatchbacks look like this to the untrained eye ?
Yes. Which is why I'd pretty much never personally pick a hatch over a coupe....

Puma over Fiesta
Celica over Corolla
Sirocco over Golf (MK1/2)
100NX over Sunny
Tigra over Corsa

etc etc
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C2james

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52 months

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vz-r_dave said:

Lol he was the one who got heated after telling fibs.
How dare you accuse me of fibbing. hehe

wy906

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61 months

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Hoygo said:
It was from the "Best front wheel drive" issue iirc,but might be earlier im not sure.
Nope, that's Issue 97 and EVO didn't visit Bedford (or any track) for that group test.

Kozy

2,946 posts

105 months

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Is the EK9 worth a mention here?


TITWONK

503 posts

54 months

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I was actually talking about the 172 cup so I'm sorry for the confusion, I here Renault sport clio and go off on one lol! 300 you will just have to except the Renault sport does look different to a normal Clio! Should have gone to spec savers smile and once you are used to looking at them the front wings make all the difference and so does the wider track smile the RS has a fatter looking ass!


Edited by TITWONK on Wednesday 16th May 16:10

Captain Muppet

8,092 posts

152 months

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300bhp/ton said:
DanDC5 said:
Not true they were sold in a few different models over the years

86-89 the following models were available in the UK

1.5 DX 5d
1.5 DX 5d Auto
1.5 LX 5d
1.5 LX 5d Auto
1.6 EX 16 5d

The Type R models didn't come until the later 1995-on version.
Well they must have sold sufficiently few of them that you never see them on the roads. At least I have no recollection of seeing a non Type R Integra in the UK bar one scruffy JDM example some 6 or so years back.

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Wednesday 16th May 15:45
So none except the one you've seen?

There is a chap in the office next door who commuted in a UK 1.6 EX 16 5d until a couple of years ago. Same engine as the mk1 CRX 16i16. These are all 23 years old now, so naturally they aren't common.

DanDC5

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54 months

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They are surprisingly well received on the odd occasion they appear on Honda forums, purely down to their rarity.

FD3Si

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31 months

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DC2's certainly do encourage the wrong sort of attention - it's one of the downsides. We are constantly getting people trying to burn us off lights, or people sitting on the tail trying to push you along. Also had 'thumbs up' signs and eggings on from pedestrians who fulfil a certain visual stereotype. For that reason, image can be important. One of the main reasons we'd think about getting rid is because my wife feels a bit conspicuous in it in less solubrious areas. It's a shame when something like that affects the enjoyment of a car, but it does to some people. It's not about caring what other people think, so much as the attitudes the car encourages from other road users.

What I will say is test drive a few - first one we drove felt completely different - numb and boring. Wasn't impressed at all, and it was a 'never meet your heroes' moment. Like many older performance cars, the market is becoming polarised between the ropey examples and the well kept end of the scale. It's imperative you check out the latter.

There's also a hint of MX5 about them in so far as the old cliche that it's not neccessarily the speed you get to the destination, but the journey. They aren't rocket ship fast, however, the way they carry their speed, and the amount of satisfaction you get from wringing their necks, is what really endears them. I've had a few reasonably powerful cars, far more powerful than the DC2, but there are none that I suspect are as likely to lose me my license as the 'teg.

jatinder

1,585 posts

100 months

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stew-S160 said:
No, the Clio would not be more comfortable, unless it had the Recaro seats. But even then, the Recaro Speed seats and the driving position in the DC2 are some of the best in any car, ever.


Of the two, and having owned a UK ITR DC2 and Clio 172 Cup, I'd pick the DC2 over the Clio without hesitation. The better car in all conditions.
Depends on opinion, if your quite tall the clio might be uncomfortable, short however it would be more comfortable than the integra.

I've driven both, owned only the integra.

vz-r_dave

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Captain Muppet said:
So none except the one you've seen?

There is a chap in the office next door who commuted in a UK 1.6 EX 16 5d until a couple of years ago. Same engine as the mk1 CRX 16i16. These are all 23 years old now, so naturally they aren't common.
No DC teg's so effectively on the type r and to the average joe they would have forgotten long ago what that faded red thing is with stick up lights and square alloy wheels.

StevieB

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DanDC5 said:
Don't believe the paper figures, DC2's have been timed a lot quicker than Honda's quoted figures. And I've seen more than one DC2 leave 182's on a side by side 'comparison'
Hmm, these cars are closely matched. Autocar road tests for a Clio 182 and Teg, are as follows;

Honda Renault

o-60 6.3 6.6
0-100 16.8 17.o
30-70 5.9 5.8

But the teg posts the stronger in gear figures, i.e 50-70 in 3.7 seconds in 3rd.

Actually I wouldnt have either of these, i'm current quite attracted by sub 5K early Clio 197s, simply because they are so much newer and lower mileage than average tegs and 182s...


Id tend to agree with this, in the original Performance car test, the Teg posted a sub 6 second 0-60 time, the first ever for a FWD car by the mag. The auto car times are revealing...

Mastodon2

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52 months

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C2james said:
Surely things like overtaking, without having to hit vtec and those types of situations?
Why would you not want to use the VTEC cam? Would you not drive the Clio over 5000rpm either?

Dear oh dear.

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andye30m3

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I've had a DC2 and a standard clio 172 (not quite a trophy)

Both are good car, cheap to run and great fun so I don't think you'll be disappointed with either.

I'd probably go for the DC2 if I was to buy either again.

EvoBarry

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wy906 said:
Hoygo said:
It was from the "Best front wheel drive" issue iirc,but might be earlier im not sure.
Nope, that's Issue 97 and EVO didn't visit Bedford (or any track) for that group test.
The road testing was based at Bedford FYI, but they didn't test on track at all for that feature, it was just a handy location to deal with photos/admin etc as its fairly close to EVO HQ. The cover shot was taken at Bedford.


nottyash

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82 months

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Kozy said:
Is the EK9 worth a mention here?

bounce That was my choice, expensive, but rare especially in Black like mine.


Edited by nottyash on Wednesday 16th May 19:10

C2james

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Right so basically we need a Clio/integra vtec hybrid thing. hehe
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