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DanDC5

8,244 posts

47 months

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Integra, having an LSD makes a huge difference!

f1nn

442 posts

72 months

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I love both of these cars, and have driven both extensively.

If I had to use it every single day, I'd choose the Trophy.

Love the Integra (although it would have to be a UK model for me), and it's certainly sensational when you are in the mood, but for cold, dark, winter mornings, the big hearted nature of the Clio would be the one.

I was fortunate enough to drive a Trophy a fair bit when they first came out, and not before or since have I driven a car which felt as perfectly use able on UK roads. Of course I've driven faster on paper but the Clio felt like I could exploit everything fully on every drive. Sublime handling and ride compromise, although as others have said I'd want to budget for a damper rebuild now, but hey, you can rebuild them so that's not a massive issue.

They are quite sensitive to tyres, as are the DC2's, and the original tyres have been replaced by others in the Michelin range (or Bridgestone in the case of the DC2) so I'd want to check that at purchase.

muffinmenace

758 posts

68 months

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The DC2 will more then likely need a re-bush, if it's been done, great, but it will command a premium over those that haven't (5k will buy you a minter).

If it smokes on VTEC switch over, lift off in VTEC and WOT at the top end then walk away as it's terminal. Mine was filled with the thickest oil I've ever seen when I bought it to subdue the smoke, eventually it caught up with me and I had to have it rebuilt.

Check www.itr-dc2.com for loads of thread on buying advice

stew-S160

6,439 posts

118 months

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jatinder said:
Both great, Clio would be more comfortable.

But if you’re coming from a 205 the Honda will still seem refined.

Very, very, reliable if brought right (My UK spec never broke down in four year of ownership or had major problems), Standard JDM ones are great, avoid the ones without proof of regular oil changes they need the oil changing every 5000. They also only run on super unleaded (98 Ron plus) where the Clio runs fine on normal unleaded.




Edited by jatinder on Wednesday 16th May 09:05
No, the Clio would not be more comfortable, unless it had the Recaro seats. But even then, the Recaro Speed seats and the driving position in the DC2 are some of the best in any car, ever.


Of the two, and having owned a UK ITR DC2 and Clio 172 Cup, I'd pick the DC2 over the Clio without hesitation. The better car in all conditions.

wackojacko

8,520 posts

70 months

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Not driven a DC2, to me the Clios feel cheap and horrid.

Weird cutch feel and a weird driving position, however the driving position is meant to be far improved in the trophy with the Recaros.
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Captain Muppet

7,715 posts

145 months

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wolves_wanderer said:
C2james said:
Surely things like overtaking, without having to hit vtec and those types of situations?
Posts like this make me sad.
Me too but not as sad as this:

C2james said:
I don't know, I don't mind being proven wrong I was just going off what I've read/heard.
I had a lovely drive in a DC2 once. It was one of the ones with a gearbox - you just flick this little lever around and it increased the torque. Amazing. I'm one of those luddite FWD haters and I'd still happily buy a DC2 if I had a spare parking space.

I've never driven any Clio so what I'm going to do is not tell people my opinion of it based on nothing. Although I have heard they all smell of fish. Or fun. Something begining with f.

r1ch

2,367 posts

76 months

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I'm in a similar situation. I have a tidy 205 GTI that i'm considering switching to something VTEC (yo). With a similar budget to you i have considered an Accord type R, Civic type R, Clio 197/182.

I've heard from a couple of 205 guys that the DC2 is even less refined than the 205. I haven't had chance to try one yet. I read they are quite noisy on a run. Would like to have a look myself though. 5k will get a really smart dc2.


Edited by r1ch on Wednesday 16th May 10:37

300bhp/ton

29,629 posts

70 months

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C2james said:
. Also the clio is much mor usable on the road.
What exactly do you mean by that? confused

DanDC5

8,244 posts

47 months

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C2james said:
Surely things like overtaking, without having to hit vtec and those types of situations?
If you buy an Integra but don't want to hit VTEC when you overtake things you've bought the wrong car.


300bhp/ton

29,629 posts

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C2james said:
ambuletz said:
If hondas notorious reputation for reliability extends to that of the integra, then I'd go for that. much cooler/rarer car too.
How many integras are there? There's only 500 trophys.
Which to Jo Public and even many motoring bods, look 99.99% the same as any shopping grade Clio, thus making them more common than muck.

300bhp/ton

29,629 posts

70 months

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C2james said:
BUG4LIFE said:
Yeah, how? I used my DC2 everyday on the road and it was fine! It was actually a really nice place to be.
Surely things like overtaking, without having to hit vtec and those types of situations?
rofl

doogz

22,254 posts

67 months

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Well yeah, if you don't like revving your engine, don't buy a Honda, generally speaking, but the Clio is a fairly revvy, peaky engine. Makes a fair emount of torque, but ultimately, if you want to get somewhere in a hurry, you're going to have to rev it.

C2james

4,545 posts

45 months

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fking hell I say one slightly stupid comment and everyone turns on me, and 300 you can ps off some of the things I've seen you say are radiculous.

300bhp/ton

29,629 posts

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grantley1988 said:
Hi all

I have 5k to spend on a new car and am torn between the clio trophy and the dc2. I have had 205 for the last year and would like something with power steering and something that is a little more comfy. Has any driven the two? I also have been looking at v6 Alfa's smile

Hope you can shed your opinions
I've not driven the Clio, but the DC2 is the BEST fwd car I've ever driven or been in - PERIOD!

And I don't believe the Clio is going to be as good on any level. The only thing going for it is less weight, so maybe slightly more nimble feeling on initial turn in.

But the DC2 has the sweeter engine, sweeter gearbox (although watch for syncro issues) and rather importantly an LSD. Which IMO totally transforms how a FWD car drives and handles. The longer wheelbase is also likely to make it more stable and I simply love the ethos behind why the Type R exists and how they were made.

I also much prefer the "coupe" looks over the upright shopping kart hatch look of the Clio. Interiors on both cars are not great, although the seats in the Honda are superb as is the titanium gearknob.

Personally I much prefer the look of the UK spec ITR over the JDM ones, but that's just personal preference.

DanDC5

8,244 posts

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Having driven both I would actually say the Clio might handle just a tiny bit better than the DC2, purely down the the ridiculously expensive suspension they fitted to the Trophy. BUT as a total package the DC2 is a better car, it's faster in a straight line for those wanting to get to the next twisty bit quicker biggrin and the LSD as I said before makes a huge difference to the car. It really helps you tuck the nose and and drag it's ass out of tight corners quicker.

Buy a minter and look after it and you won't lose much if any on depreciation either.

doogz

22,254 posts

67 months

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I've never driven a cup, but as an ex-182FF owner, buy the Honda.

C2james

4,545 posts

45 months

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300bhp/ton said:
Which to Jo Public and even many motoring bods, look 99.99% the same as any shopping grade Clio, thus making them more common than muck.
Although they aren't and they have a big spoiler, bright red, black wheels and says trophy on the side.

doogz

22,254 posts

67 months

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C2james said:
Although they aren't and they have a big spoiler, bright red, black wheels and says trophy on the side.
Still, to Joe Public, it's a Clio with a sticker on it, and some painted black wheels. Pretty unassuming.

300bhp/ton

29,629 posts

70 months

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C2james said:
300bhp/ton said:
Which to Jo Public and even many motoring bods, look 99.99% the same as any shopping grade Clio, thus making them more common than muck.
Although they aren't and they have a big spoiler, bright red, black wheels and says trophy on the side.
Most of Jo Public struggle to tell a MINI from a Rolls. They will not notice different colour wheels or spoiler as anything more significant other than being a bit chav. And even to those in the know such additions could also be seen as being a bit chav.

Not saying the Clio is a bad car at all. But it is exactly what it looks like - a hatchback.

300bhp/ton

29,629 posts

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C2james said:
fking hell I say one slightly stupid comment and everyone turns on me, and 300 you can ps off some of the things I've seen you say are radiculous.
Yes you said something stupid, but no need to get nasty.

BTW - a crash course in what VTEC is, how it works and what it's intended to do would serve you well here. wink

But in short, the 1.8 in the DC2 is as punchy or more so at lower rpms as any other 1.8 n/a motor. What VTEC does is allow it to maintain this torque at much higher rpms. This is important because:

HP = torque x rpm / 5252

Basically horse power is torque at speed. So make the same torque at higher rpms and you get a LOT more HP.
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