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croyde
8,746 posts
99 months
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I would have thought that buying a 100k+ miles car would be a worry but not running your own from new or nearly new. I bought my Beemer almost new back in '98 and as I have written in another thread, the clutch is slipping badly. The indie wanted £1000 to fix it which I almost went for as I was thinking I'd rather spend money on what I know then go looking for a £1000 snotter to replace it. Luckily I have now found someone who will do it for a fraction of that price. I love the car yet I would like to have something else but with kids in private education those days of chopping and changing are gone  The mindset in this country does seem to be change the car every 3 years or so and although mine is a gas guzzler it has got to be greener to keep it a long time and just factor in a yearly budget to keep it on the road.
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yonex
2,861 posts
37 months
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I used to always buy newer cars/low mileage. The last two have been 125K which ran until 160K and this one was 120K and is now 190K. Sometimes its difficult to justify the odd big bill but saving several thousand on the purchase price blows that away. Main problems are suspension related, especially with the bigger cars. What is nice though is when you replace bushes with better ones and then swap shocks to maybe something like Nitrons you end up with a much better car. The attitude of buying new cars and the last cull of older vehicles has proved to be a mistake. If you find something that is a aorund 5-6 years old with 120K on the clock its very likely most of the time it has been sat on the motorway, infinitely better than 30K of town driving or a school run every day.
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J4CKO
7,375 posts
69 months
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Fox- said: Cars dont die at 100k. Cars don't die at 250k either. What happens is that cars break - at any mileage - and require fixing. When your £8000 car breaks and needs £500 spending, you spend it. But here in the UK everyone wants a 12 plate Audi diesel, in white, for just £399 a month. So used cars are worthless, used cars with high miles even more so.
So, when that same £500 bill you'd pay on your £8k appears when your car has 150k on the clock and is worth £900, you throw the car in the bin. Did it die of high mileage? of course not. It was just a victim of the chronically low used car prices.
In other countries it is different. Your 150k £900 car would be worth more over there - enough that when it drops that 500 quid (or $760) bill on you, you pay it.
The days of cars being genuinelly life expired having rotten to death are long gone. It's now all about economics. Your average garage charges 50-70 quid an hour to fix a car so even simple faults can cost more than people are prepared to spend.
Especially when you can drive somebody elses white Audi A3 S-Line for £x a month instead.
Plus, Americans seem more tehcnically minded and are more likely to spend money on preventative maintenance than us Brits. Some of the guys on the American BMW forums are changing cooling systems at 60k irrespective of breakdowns. They are more likely to invest in suspension refreshes etc - they've got more money invested in preventative maintenance which again makes them more likely to keep the car. Next time you are over there pick up a copy of Car and Driver. You'll be amazed at the level of technical detail some of the reviews etc go into, over here nobody seems to care about that stuff. What he said !
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louiebaby
5,338 posts
60 months
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You need to take a look at what they drive, and how they drive. It's completely different to us.
In general, they are driving cars in conditions that put almost no stress on the components compared to over here in the UK.
Compare a Ford Explorer doing hundreds of miles with the cruise control on at 60mph to a Ford Focus doing lots of shorter journeys, accelerating, braking, cornering and having to be driving (comparatively) harder to maintain 70mph on the rarer motorway jaunts.
Their cars don't live such a stressful life. Plus petrol is so much cheaper, they can afford to spend on the maintenance.
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J4CKO
7,375 posts
69 months
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In poorer areas you see some sights on the road, cars battered beyond comprehension, utterly knackered, some with accident damage so bad it looks like its come off a banger track, but, as long as it meets the emmissions test it is fine, really they should have some kind of MOT and our MOT needs to stop getting more and more anal, it will be rare for a properly tested UK car to be dangerous or polluting but apparently and engine light on is grounds to end up scrapping the car.
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GroundEffect
7,199 posts
25 months
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For one thing, they have a climate which allows cars to live longer. They don't put excessive amounts of salt on their roads and they don't have perpetual rain, nor the salty air that comes with living on an island.
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aka_kerrly
4,794 posts
79 months
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GroundEffect said: For one thing, they have a climate which allows cars to live longer. They don't put excessive amounts of salt on their roads and they don't have perpetual rain, nor the salty air that comes with living on an island. Only applicable in some states. I've been to the US a few times and whilst the hot climate does definitely help to preserve cars the main reason for there being so many old cars or high mileage cars still in use is the lack of MOT. I was truly stunned at how shoddy a lot of 70s-2000s cars are in the US - you only have to watch a few episodes of Pimp My Ride to see that far too many average Americans are happy to drive around in cars which would have failed a UK MOT 20 years ago let alone now.
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Chicane-UK
2,585 posts
54 months
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I know in places like California there is the smog / emissions test - but is there literally no MOT test over there, to verify that a car is road worthy?!
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DaveL485
2,419 posts
66 months
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I love old cars, bangernomics is fun!
I bought a 103k Renault 19TD for £211 almost 3 years ago. It's cost ~£250 to run for those 3 years/30k, it does high 40's to the gallon and I dont have to care about scrapes and dints.
It's the way forward, and allows me to run much fruitier stuff for the weekends.
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CYMR0
1,983 posts
69 months
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Chicane-UK said: I know in places like California there is the smog / emissions test - but is there literally no MOT test over there, to verify that a car is road worthy?! In some states, no. (Amazingly, this is seen as pro-business). It varies on a state-by-state basis and some states have even abolished MoTs ("safety inspections") recently. http://www.dsslaw.com/blog/2012/01/2011-rise-jerse...(Biased source, by the way, but probably accurate on the main facts).
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deltashad
2,738 posts
66 months
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Merc hit the big 50k yesterday  its at 50018 to be exact. I felt quite sad. Whereas the MG is at 129k and I'm the other way with it, I want it to go on and rack up masses of miles. It's the weather that kills them though. The difference in condition can differ hugely depending on where that car lives. Scotland kills cars quickly, as do coastal locations.
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RDMcG
7,041 posts
76 months
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Well, I live in Canada and think nothing of driving to my winter house in Arizona a couple of times a year to deliver and pick up my dogs...so, since November have racked up about 25000Km on trips in the 2008 Cayenne, sometimes towing a trailer. I expect I will drive it for 250-300Km as a hack, and have seen quote a few older Cayennes with big miles. They thing is bullet-proof.
Year ago I used to get company Park Avenues and ran 100,000Km a year. They were good as new after 100K when I replaced them.
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Captain Muppet
5,937 posts
134 months
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Ray Luxury-Yacht said: One thing I did also pick up on, is that a lot of ordinary people there know a bit more about how to treat engines, and the importance of regular oil changes - even women seem to know this, compared to here where I've never met a woman with any interest in servicing or even mild concern about oil changes.
Might be driven by the fact that, where I was in Ohio at least, there are 'oil change' bars that do nothing except 'drive in-drive out' oil changes. You literally pull up to one like you would a petrol station, and they do an oil and filter change while you wait in 5 minutes flat. There are cars designed to run for 100,000 miles without an oil change, but the Americans still put new stuff in every 3,000 miles. It's a parasitic service industry reliant on customer ignorance. Uneccessary oil changes are not an indication of engineering knowledge, they are an indication of good marketing of uneccessary oil changes.
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croyde
8,746 posts
99 months
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Seems strange that the US does not have an MOT when everyone is so keen on sueing each other. I would imagine that if your old 70s Buick careered off the road into a load of pedestrians just because your brake lines had corroded/suspension had fallen apart/steering rack had seized you would be in a lot of financial trouble.
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Snowboy
3,200 posts
20 months
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If we’re talking about old cars with high mileage than the lack of MOT helps a lot. Any old junker can just be kept going.
If we’re talking about new cars with high miles then carry on reading.
In the US they generally do more miles than us on a daily basis. This means that their cars hit 100k while still relatively young.
A 3 year old car with 100k miles would probably be in very good condition in both the UK and US. But a 12 year old car with 100k miles would probably be quite different no matter where it was.
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JB!
3,845 posts
49 months
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I think as long as people dont "own" their cars we will always have a "100,000mi is baaad" attitude.
Untill the easy finance dries up, "high-mileage" cars will be cheaper.
Its all about buying on condition anyway.
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FisiP1
1,135 posts
22 months
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US doesn't have dated plates, so used cars depreciate less. It isn't as easy to find something cheap with low miles just because it is 5 years old like you can do in the UK. Hence no shortcut on depreciation, you either swap for similar mileage car or you use it till it dies and buy new.
Fewer tight and twisty roads with cornering loads, less wear on suspension and chassis. Cars that have been used for more than just motorways with over 100k in the UK definitely begin to feel ropey unless they have a full suspension refresh.
Fewer small displacement turbo cars, engines are generally larger displacement so worked less hard.
Lots of autos, so fewer people destroying their own clutches.
Fuel is still relatively cheap, no great incentive to trade out of older lower mpg cars.
Climate in many states is great for preservation of mechanical components.
Journeys are often much longer in mileage terms than the UK.
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longblackcoat
1,240 posts
52 months
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Captain Muppet said: There are cars designed to run for 100,000 miles without an oil change, but the Americans still put new stuff in every 3,000 miles. It's a parasitic service industry reliant on customer ignorance.
Uneccessary oil changes are not an indication of engineering knowledge, they are an indication of good marketing of uneccessary oil changes. No. There are cars designed to run for 100,000 with nothing other than oil changes, but not, so far as I am aware, any cars with (effectively) a sealed-for-100k-miles engine. All cars need oil changes, and I've yet to see anything, even with variable servicing intervals, exceed 20k between changes.
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Deva Link
26,916 posts
114 months
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FisiP1 said: US doesn't have dated plates, so used cars depreciate less. It isn't as easy to find something cheap with low miles just because it is 5 years old like you can do in the UK. Hence no shortcut on depreciation, you either swap for similar mileage car or you use it till it dies and buy new. I think the dated plates have a big impact here - the UK seems to have the cheapest used car prices in the world. A colleague of mine in Belgium was telling me he'd bought a 'new' car - turned out to be a Volvo S60 with 160Km on it that he was thrilled to get for €11K. Same car here would be about £4K. He ran his previous Volvo to 400Km.
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toon10
781 posts
26 months
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Sweeping generalisation coming up... The driving and cars are different over there. Most journeys involve very long, very straight roads driven at a constant speed of around 60mph. They like big capacity unstressed engines which don't really get worked too hard.
I must admit to being UK minded in this respect. I normally keep a car over the term of it's loan which is about 4 years. I always look to get something with < 60k on the clock so I know after 4 years of 10k per year driving, I won't be over the magic figure. I don't know if that's because I think the car will explode in a ball of flames or if it's just becuase I know from experience that trying to sell a car with over 100k is harder in this country as others are put off by it.
It never stops my brother, he likes his big barges and tends to buy high mileage ones and puts his private reg on.
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