RE: You Know You Want To: AC Cobra Mark II 289

RE: You Know You Want To: AC Cobra Mark II 289

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jellison

12,803 posts

278 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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From last years SPA 6 smile


soad

32,913 posts

177 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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Rather like the hardtop look. smile

duggan

911 posts

249 months

Saturday 19th May 2012
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Here it is pre-restoration. I (or rather my AC Cobra) was invited to an Octane photoshoot on all the AC Cobra's and this car (and Kevin) pitched up - enjoy:










Trig289

1 posts

144 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2012
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Guys, guys, guys. STOP STOP STOP. If you keep writing such drivel , then David Cameron will ban free speech !!!!

I find it so frustrating when people write such rubbish in these forums when they do not know their subject or facts. I will attempt to put the record straight.

To answer some of these points raised. “No international race history” - How about the Macau Grand Prix or the Angolan Grand Prix of 1965, where Keith Schellenberg raced the car to 10th place overall ?

“No major drivers” – How about “Gentleman” Jack Sears, the man who won the first ever British Saloon car championship, a Shelby factory/works/team driver and the ONLY factory driver to have raced all three variants of the Cobra Coupe (Daytona, Willment and A98).

COB 6008 had an amazing history in period, granted for only about three years, but that is the beauty of this car that everyone seems to have completely missed the point on. If you look at a picture of this car at Angola in 1965 and then a picture of it now….guess what…. you are looking at the same piece of metal. What other race car can you say that about ? Not many.

Look at other similar markets where originality is king. The current record price paid for a painting was of “The Card Players” by Paul Cezanne, sold for $250M in 2011. How can that be justified ? Simple, there will never be another and if you consider market trends a fantastic way to “store” your money, better return than a bank, arguably safer than a bank and also something you can enjoy along the way. (Personally I would prefer to race a Cobra rather than look at a painting !!) Call me cynical, but to all those who say this car is over priced I have one question , “Do you have the money ?”…I suspect not…the people with this kind of money are the ones that get it……..if I win the lottery then this would be top of my list.

More recently the car has been invited to more Goodwood Revival’s than any other Cobra (eight I believe)….Goodwood don’t get things wrong….it speaks volumes for the integrity of the car. Add to that that Trevor Legate the Cobra historian has picked out this car to do a “special” book (His 4th Cobra book) dedicated as a one off to COB6008…why did he single out this Cobra of all Cobras to do that ? My view is down to it’s originality and complete traceable history (I believe that I am correct in saying that all owners of this car can still be traced). Also out of all the 1000 or so Cobra’s made no-one can argue with the fact that the FIA/cut back door cars were the prettiest of them all.

If you still need convincing take a look at the web site www.homeofhorsepower.co.uk ...enjoy

Finally , to the gentleman who put that he would prefer a lightweight E Type at £1M, hey we all would….keep up my friend , these cars are £5M + now and that is IF you can get one of the owners to agree to sell at that price !!

philriley427

13 posts

162 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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At last! Someone who knows what they're talking about. Well done that man!
Trig289 said:
Guys, guys, guys. STOP STOP STOP. If you keep writing such drivel , then David Cameron will ban free speech !!!!

I find it so frustrating when people write such rubbish in these forums when they do not know their subject or facts. I will attempt to put the record straight.

To answer some of these points raised. “No international race history” - How about the Macau Grand Prix or the Angolan Grand Prix of 1965, where Keith Schellenberg raced the car to 10th place overall ?

“No major drivers” – How about “Gentleman” Jack Sears, the man who won the first ever British Saloon car championship, a Shelby factory/works/team driver and the ONLY factory driver to have raced all three variants of the Cobra Coupe (Daytona, Willment and A98).

COB 6008 had an amazing history in period, granted for only about three years, but that is the beauty of this car that everyone seems to have completely missed the point on. If you look at a picture of this car at Angola in 1965 and then a picture of it now….guess what…. you are looking at the same piece of metal. What other race car can you say that about ? Not many.

Look at other similar markets where originality is king. The current record price paid for a painting was of “The Card Players” by Paul Cezanne, sold for $250M in 2011. How can that be justified ? Simple, there will never be another and if you consider market trends a fantastic way to “store” your money, better return than a bank, arguably safer than a bank and also something you can enjoy along the way. (Personally I would prefer to race a Cobra rather than look at a painting !!) Call me cynical, but to all those who say this car is over priced I have one question , “Do you have the money ?”…I suspect not…the people with this kind of money are the ones that get it……..if I win the lottery then this would be top of my list.

More recently the car has been invited to more Goodwood Revival’s than any other Cobra (eight I believe)….Goodwood don’t get things wrong….it speaks volumes for the integrity of the car. Add to that that Trevor Legate the Cobra historian has picked out this car to do a “special” book (His 4th Cobra book) dedicated as a one off to COB6008…why did he single out this Cobra of all Cobras to do that ? My view is down to it’s originality and complete traceable history (I believe that I am correct in saying that all owners of this car can still be traced). Also out of all the 1000 or so Cobra’s made no-one can argue with the fact that the FIA/cut back door cars were the prettiest of them all.

If you still need convincing take a look at the web site www.homeofhorsepower.co.uk ...enjoy

Finally , to the gentleman who put that he would prefer a lightweight E Type at £1M, hey we all would….keep up my friend , these cars are £5M + now and that is IF you can get one of the owners to agree to sell at that price !!

hurricaneharold

347 posts

197 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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chevronb37 said:
My recollection is that this is a particularly special Cobra - one of three lightweight competition versions I vaguely recall. Can anyone with knowledge substantiate that?
Yes this is one of three lighweight FIA bodied RHD drive cars built

hurricaneharold

347 posts

197 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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threespires said:
We ordered 4 new Cobra's for delivery in 1964. The first one, a green one, we registered as a demo car. The 2nd one, a red one ch#6039, went in the showroom for sale at £2,500.

It caused no interest at that price, an E Type at the time was around £2,000. The Cobra had the same creature comforts as a £500 Lotus Seven and was viewed as a pricy Lotus. So we struggled to sell it. After nearly a year in stock a buyer came forward.

The green demo car also found a buyer after a very long time trying to sell it. As they'd taken so long to sell, we cancelled the remaining 2 cars.
6039 was sold by it's first owner around 1969 for some £1800 and I believe is still with the buyer. Our green demo car seems to have disappeared, no trace can be found of it.

Here is 6039 on display in Rackhams dept. store.


AC Cobra 1964 - Cob 6039
Yes COB 6039 is still owned by the same owner since 1969

hurricaneharold

347 posts

197 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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jellison said:
From last years SPA 6 smile

This ones a Kirkham.

hurricaneharold

347 posts

197 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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philriley427 said:
Phil, you can now see why I dont come on here much anymore !

PDB

24 posts

166 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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jellison said:
On most tracks a 289 Cobra would beat a big block, they were way heavier and the weight where it did not really do the handling any favours. Maybe on a drag strip (but that ain't racing) a 427 might win but not on most tracks (unless ones dominated by straights).
You've clearly never driven either. A big block 427 Cobra weighs only about 30lb more than a small block 289. It is a common falacy that 427 Cobras are nose heavy, they aren't, they have an almost perfect 48%/52% front/rear weight distrubution. Given equal drivers, a 427 would run rings around a 289 on the track. Not only is it significantly more powerful with near identical weight, but the chassis and suspension is in a different league, with double wishbones all round compared to the transverse leaf springs of the 289.

And to reiterate the point, if you have deep enough pockets, COB6008 is worth every penny of its £1.5M asking price with unparalleled pedigree and history.

Paul

s m

23,243 posts

204 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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PDB said:
jellison said:
On most tracks a 289 Cobra would beat a big block, they were way heavier and the weight where it did not really do the handling any favours. Maybe on a drag strip (but that ain't racing) a 427 might win but not on most tracks (unless ones dominated by straights).
You've clearly never driven either. A big block 427 Cobra weighs only about 30lb more than a small block 289. It is a common falacy that 427 Cobras are nose heavy, they aren't, they have an almost perfect 48%/52% front/rear weight distrubution. Given equal drivers, a 427 would run rings around a 289 on the track. Not only is it significantly more powerful with near identical weight, but the chassis and suspension is in a different league, with double wishbones all round compared to the transverse leaf springs of the 289.

And to reiterate the point, if you have deep enough pockets, COB6008 is worth every penny of its £1.5M asking price with unparalleled pedigree and history.

Paul
Worth having a look at 'Classic & Sports Car' this month - 289 vs 427 comparison and other Cobra stuff

hurricaneharold

347 posts

197 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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[quote=chevronb37]

"Still, the only Cobra to have won the TT is the Glasel Daytona Coupe which triumphed last year. "

The Daytona Cobra that won last year is a replica.

hurricaneharold

347 posts

197 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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jellison said:
From last years SPA 6 smile

That car is a Kirkham .

hurricaneharold

347 posts

197 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Trig289 said:
Guys, guys, guys. STOP STOP STOP. If you keep writing such drivel , then David Cameron will ban free speech !!!!

I find it so frustrating when people write such rubbish in these forums when they do not know their subject or facts. I will attempt to put the record straight.

To answer some of these points raised. “No international race history” - How about the Macau Grand Prix or the Angolan Grand Prix of 1965, where Keith Schellenberg raced the car to 10th place overall ?

“No major drivers” – How about “Gentleman” Jack Sears, the man who won the first ever British Saloon car championship, a Shelby factory/works/team driver and the ONLY factory driver to have raced all three variants of the Cobra Coupe (Daytona, Willment and A98).

COB 6008 had an amazing history in period, granted for only about three years, but that is the beauty of this car that everyone seems to have completely missed the point on. If you look at a picture of this car at Angola in 1965 and then a picture of it now….guess what…. you are looking at the same piece of metal. What other race car can you say that about ? Not many.

Look at other similar markets where originality is king. The current record price paid for a painting was of “The Card Players” by Paul Cezanne, sold for $250M in 2011. How can that be justified ? Simple, there will never be another and if you consider market trends a fantastic way to “store” your money, better return than a bank, arguably safer than a bank and also something you can enjoy along the way. (Personally I would prefer to race a Cobra rather than look at a painting !!) Call me cynical, but to all those who say this car is over priced I have one question , “Do you have the money ?”…I suspect not…the people with this kind of money are the ones that get it……..if I win the lottery then this would be top of my list.

More recently the car has been invited to more Goodwood Revival’s than any other Cobra (eight I believe)….Goodwood don’t get things wrong….it speaks volumes for the integrity of the car. Add to that that Trevor Legate the Cobra historian has picked out this car to do a “special” book (His 4th Cobra book) dedicated as a one off to COB6008…why did he single out this Cobra of all Cobras to do that ? My view is down to it’s originality and complete traceable history (I believe that I am correct in saying that all owners of this car can still be traced). Also out of all the 1000 or so Cobra’s made no-one can argue with the fact that the FIA/cut back door cars were the prettiest of them all.

If you still need convincing take a look at the web site www.homeofhorsepower.co.uk ...enjoy

Finally , to the gentleman who put that he would prefer a lightweight E Type at £1M, hey we all would….keep up my friend , these cars are £5M + now and that is IF you can get one of the owners to agree to sell at that price !!
Trevor was the author of the book on COB 6008 but because Kevin asked him to do it,he did not pick the car out to do a "special" book.

hurricaneharold

347 posts

197 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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dmcars123 said:
I have been building my collection and looking at some cars for a way into Goodwood....

The flagship race is the TT, that’s the one to take part in. The most cost effective entry would be a good DB4 GT at circa £1m.
But if you want to win you need an e type, a GTO or a Cobra..... maybe a Bizzarini, but they are very thin on the ground.

I think the Cobra is the most cost effective potential TT winning car.

BUT, you have to have a special car to get an entry, replicas (ok there have been a few rare exceptions - and not cobras) will not get an entry, nor a modified road car. It has to be a car with period race history which this has. I think this is the right price for such a car. By the way, some say all the cobras that ran at Le Mans they have stories. Hasn’t this car run at Goodwood loads of times in the TT??

They say there are only 3 or 4 proper RHD comp 289 Cobras... This car I understand from a friend who knows all about the proper 289’s is the only RHD 289 Cobra that left the factory with an FIA body (fat rear arches) like the cars that went to Carroll Shelby in the USA (of which I think he said there are 15 or so, all LHD). I saw this car last year at Salon Prive, amazing car and also very rare that it is genuinely its original chassis and body (unlike a lot of old racing cars)... I like the D type set up windscreen, how mean looking!

Really I want a Ferrari, but a GTO is definitely out of my League!! SWB’s aren’t quick enough for the TT... smile
Replicas do get entries for Goodwood, there were at least 8 replicas in the Shelby Cup earlier this year.

hurricaneharold

347 posts

197 months

Monday 17th June 2013
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jellison said:
From last years SPA 6 smile

This is a Kirkham replica of CSX2174

dinkel

26,959 posts

259 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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Indeed it is and the owner isn't fuzzy about it.

This is a real one: 644 CGT

But then: what's real? These cars are kept in tip top condition.

http://www.cobracars.be/cs%202130%20of%20644cgt.ht...
Thankyou for using my pictures BTW!

Edited by dinkel on Monday 22 February 13:31

vestor

2 posts

18 months

Friday 11th November 2022
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threespires said:
We ordered 4 new Cobra's for delivery in 1964. The first one, a green one, we registered as a demo car. The 2nd one, a red one ch#6039, went in the showroom for sale at £2,500.

It caused no interest at that price, an E Type at the time was around £2,000. The Cobra had the same creature comforts as a £500 Lotus Seven and was viewed as a pricy Lotus. So we struggled to sell it. After nearly a year in stock a buyer came forward.

The green demo car also found a buyer after a very long time trying to sell it. As they'd taken so long to sell, we cancelled the remaining 2 cars.
6039 was sold by it's first owner around 1969 for some £1800 and I believe is still with the buyer. Our green demo car seems to have disappeared, no trace can be found of it.

Here is 6039 on display in Rackhams dept. store.


AC Cobra 1964 - Cob 6039

vestor

2 posts

18 months

Friday 11th November 2022
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Old thread but just came across it. Do you have any history on 6039 ?

cjb44

681 posts

119 months

Friday 11th November 2022
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Trig289 said:
Guys, guys, guys. STOP STOP STOP. If you keep writing such drivel , then David Cameron will ban free speech !!!!

I find it so frustrating when people write such rubbish in these forums when they do not know their subject or facts. I will attempt to put the record straight.

To answer some of these points raised. “No international race history” - How about the Macau Grand Prix or the Angolan Grand Prix of 1965, where Keith Schellenberg raced the car to 10th place overall ?

“No major drivers” – How about “Gentleman” Jack Sears, the man who won the first ever British Saloon car championship, a Shelby factory/works/team driver and the ONLY factory driver to have raced all three variants of the Cobra Coupe (Daytona, Willment and A98).

COB 6008 had an amazing history in period, granted for only about three years, but that is the beauty of this car that everyone seems to have completely missed the point on. If you look at a picture of this car at Angola in 1965 and then a picture of it now….guess what…. you are looking at the same piece of metal. What other race car can you say that about ? Not many.

Look at other similar markets where originality is king. The current record price paid for a painting was of “The Card Players” by Paul Cezanne, sold for $250M in 2011. How can that be justified ? Simple, there will never be another and if you consider market trends a fantastic way to “store” your money, better return than a bank, arguably safer than a bank and also something you can enjoy along the way. (Personally I would prefer to race a Cobra rather than look at a painting !!) Call me cynical, but to all those who say this car is over priced I have one question , “Do you have the money ?”…I suspect not…the people with this kind of money are the ones that get it……..if I win the lottery then this would be top of my list.

More recently the car has been invited to more Goodwood Revival’s than any other Cobra (eight I believe)….Goodwood don’t get things wrong….it speaks volumes for the integrity of the car. Add to that that Trevor Legate the Cobra historian has picked out this car to do a “special” book (His 4th Cobra book) dedicated as a one off to COB6008…why did he single out this Cobra of all Cobras to do that ? My view is down to it’s originality and complete traceable history (I believe that I am correct in saying that all owners of this car can still be traced). Also out of all the 1000 or so Cobra’s made no-one can argue with the fact that the FIA/cut back door cars were the prettiest of them all.

If you still need convincing take a look at the web site www.homeofhorsepower.co.uk ...enjoy

Finally , to the gentleman who put that he would prefer a lightweight E Type at £1M, hey we all would….keep up my friend , these cars are £5M + now and that is IF you can get one of the owners to agree to sell at that price !!
Unfortunately late to the party, but I can confirm that A98 is in rude health and still as original as it can be.