RE: 770hp and 94mpg for Porsche 918 Spyder
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A bit too heavy. Very expensive.
Really interesting tech though, will be good to see if it trickles down.
Maybe one day I'll be able to buy a second hand plug in hybrid Boxster...
Hybrids get better mpg than similar non-hybrids.
Do you disagree with any of this?
Which modern diesel gets 99mpg by the way?
Really interesting tech though, will be good to see if it trickles down.
Maybe one day I'll be able to buy a second hand plug in hybrid Boxster...
Zircon said:
Is all this propoganda not entirely useless they sort out range and performance depletion?
In the last 10 years the car manufacturing industry just seems to be constantly churning out ideas with little substance.
No.In the last 10 years the car manufacturing industry just seems to be constantly churning out ideas with little substance.
E38Ross said:
you've missed my point.
i'd like to know what mpg it gets when you take a long trip up to the evo triangle for instance, once it's run out of electricity! and how much power it produces.
lovely car though
Impossible to tell as the EU haven't yet made a standardised test for the evo triangle.i'd like to know what mpg it gets when you take a long trip up to the evo triangle for instance, once it's run out of electricity! and how much power it produces.
lovely car though
peter450 said:
It looks great, but we all know the official MPG figures are rarely achieved in the realworld, so it will be interesting to see if this manages it or if it's just another white elephant hybrid which comes with lots of headline grabbing figures that dont quite play out that way in real life
Having said that, it is porsche and it is a lot of money, so i expect they will be pushing the boat out to make sure this delivers on peoples expectations of the badge and engineering inside it, which is a level of expectation makers of bread and butter cars dont have to live up to, so it could well be this is the first hybrid to actually be really good
Very few cars achieve the official figures in the real world. Having said that, it is porsche and it is a lot of money, so i expect they will be pushing the boat out to make sure this delivers on peoples expectations of the badge and engineering inside it, which is a level of expectation makers of bread and butter cars dont have to live up to, so it could well be this is the first hybrid to actually be really good
Hybrids get better mpg than similar non-hybrids.
Do you disagree with any of this?
Numeric said:
I think the time has come for the EU to re-write the whole MPG test phase as clearly the companies are simply building cars to achieve good performance within the spectrum of the test...
They are._g_ said:
In the US they have 'mpg-e' or 'Miles per gallon gasoline equivalent' which electric vehicles have to have listed.
Not sure how they work it out, however.
The Ford Focus Electric is listed at 105mpge I believe. When you consider what a lot of lower power diesels are listed at and add in the probably worse depreciation from the batteries (or battery rental where you have to), suddenly it doesn't seem quite so amazing.
Think the leaf is listed at 99mpge - when a (very carefully driven no doubt) Citroen AX diesel chas managed 100mpg, it doesn't seem that great considering how much you're paying.
Yup, I'm sure many people, when buying a new car would consider both a new electric car, and a £400 diesel snotter.Not sure how they work it out, however.
The Ford Focus Electric is listed at 105mpge I believe. When you consider what a lot of lower power diesels are listed at and add in the probably worse depreciation from the batteries (or battery rental where you have to), suddenly it doesn't seem quite so amazing.
Think the leaf is listed at 99mpge - when a (very carefully driven no doubt) Citroen AX diesel chas managed 100mpg, it doesn't seem that great considering how much you're paying.
Which modern diesel gets 99mpg by the way?
xitup - you know what i meant 
what i mean is......we all know manufacturer claims for mpg due to the test cycle are rubbish, say a 60mpg diesel combined may actually get around 50mpg "in the real world", will this "in the real world" get 80mpg+ or will it get around 30mpg. i'd be shocked if this car were to be used for short trips too, more like weekend blasts etc, where a "normal" car may still get well over 50% the claimed mpg, would this get anywhere near 50%?
not having a dig....just curious questions!
what i mean is......we all know manufacturer claims for mpg due to the test cycle are rubbish, say a 60mpg diesel combined may actually get around 50mpg "in the real world", will this "in the real world" get 80mpg+ or will it get around 30mpg. i'd be shocked if this car were to be used for short trips too, more like weekend blasts etc, where a "normal" car may still get well over 50% the claimed mpg, would this get anywhere near 50%?
not having a dig....just curious questions!
They're not rubbish. Just because you can't get that mpg doesn't mean they are rubbish.
My dad often beats the official score in his diesel micra. I get no where near it. It's all about driving style.
I agree that the test needs to be made to mirror the average driver, more than my penny pinching joo dad though. They are changing it (in 2015, I think).
My dad often beats the official score in his diesel micra. I get no where near it. It's all about driving style.
I agree that the test needs to be made to mirror the average driver, more than my penny pinching joo dad though. They are changing it (in 2015, I think).
One day you'll be able to by the electric powertrain equivalent of a crate Chevy big block. Petrol and diesel will be as relevant to propulsion systems in the future as steam is today. I love all this new tech. Plus this Porsche in this livery looks terrific. I hope it ultimately helps us all see an exciting future beyond the loss of our beloved combustion engines.
One day you'll be able to by the electric powertrain equivalent of a crate Chevy big block. Petrol and diesel will be as relevant to propulsion systems in the future as steam is today. I love all this new tech. Plus this Porsche in this livery looks terrific. I hope it ultimately helps us all see an exciting future beyond the loss of our beloved combustion engines.
soldallmyfuncars said:
One day you'll be able to by the electric powertrain equivalent of a crate Chevy big block. Petrol and diesel will be as relevant to propulsion systems in the future as steam is today. I love all this new tech. Plus this Porsche in this livery looks terrific. I hope it ultimately helps us all see an exciting future beyond the loss of our beloved combustion engines.
You can say that again. Completely agreed. This is the future of being a pistonhead.
jetpilot said:
I actually have no idea what the fuss is about!
Whilst ever we have billions or trillions of barrels of oil in the ground we will never see a viable alternative to petrol/diesel!
quantity doesn't matter, timescales do and it appears to be likely to economically unviable by the end of our lifetimes I'm afaidWhilst ever we have billions or trillions of barrels of oil in the ground we will never see a viable alternative to petrol/diesel!
_g_ said:
In the US they have 'mpg-e' or 'Miles per gallon gasoline equivalent' which electric vehicles have to have listed.
Not sure how they work it out, however.
The Ford Focus Electric is listed at 105mpge I believe. When you consider what a lot of lower power diesels are listed at and add in the probably worse depreciation from the batteries (or battery rental where you have to), suddenly it doesn't seem quite so amazing.
Think the leaf is listed at 99mpge - when a (very carefully driven no doubt) Citroen AX diesel chas managed 100mpg, it doesn't seem that great considering how much you're paying.
Keep in mind the U.S. gallon is smaller than the Imperial gallon, so a Polo Bluemotion that is rated at 72(?)Imperial MPG, would be ~60 in U.S MPG. I've never heard of any production petrol or diesel car that achieves anywhere near 100MPG, using either scale.Not sure how they work it out, however.
The Ford Focus Electric is listed at 105mpge I believe. When you consider what a lot of lower power diesels are listed at and add in the probably worse depreciation from the batteries (or battery rental where you have to), suddenly it doesn't seem quite so amazing.
Think the leaf is listed at 99mpge - when a (very carefully driven no doubt) Citroen AX diesel chas managed 100mpg, it doesn't seem that great considering how much you're paying.
Also, "MPG-e" is kind of a stop-gap rating that makes little sense. I'd expect the U.S. to adopt an entirely new or heavily revised system soon.
And assuming the "e" means "equivalent cost to fuel", it's made meaningless here by the different levels of taxation. If it means equivalent CO2, it's likely to be even more arbitrary, since every different study into the CO2 emissions of electric cars comes up with a completely different result.
bobberz said:
I just can't believe it'll achieve those figures. Looks great, though. Just like an updated Carrera GT. I wonder if the vertical exhaust will make production?
Can't wait for the comparison tests between this, the "Enzo Mk2", and upcoming McLaren hypercar!
Vertical exhausts are production .Can't wait for the comparison tests between this, the "Enzo Mk2", and upcoming McLaren hypercar!
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