RE: Chris Harris video: GT-R Track Pack vs 911 Turbo

[traffman]

I enjoyed that video , however i would go for the standard gtr and throw some money at it as Mr Monkey mentions.

I admire the Turbo 997 and would gladly take either of them ..albeit a second hand version circa 50k.

[jetpilot]

Trommel said:

Not in terms of depreciation it isn't, nothing has depreciated as slowly as the GT-R (although that may will change as a result of the price rises).

And when the imports start rolling in from Japan, cant be long now!

[Bash Brannigan]

jetpilot said:

Bash Brannigan said:

Not fussed about the badge, and for me the only problem with the way it looks is the sheer size of the thing. I think the fact that people just quote numbers at you when you ask why it's so good doesn't help.

In a funny way being a bit old school i recall seeing a picture of a r32, r33, r44 and r35, front end on and it does strike you how each year, each model was just that bit bigger with ultimately the 35 being much bigger than a 32! However, that is just the modern market, how much bigger would a modern mini now look to its original. I would bet its the same with 911's!

However, i dont get the numbers comment, i would say all supercars are judged by their respective "numbers". Sure looks comes into it but looks are respective to your own opinion. Like a chap says above, when i see a 911 of whatever variant i have utterly no emotion, i see something of a similar shape to what i have been seeing for 30 years, infact i do have an emotion, boredom!

The GTR is new and fresh and you cannot argue numbers, hence why they are quoted, looks are opinion based! I am not sure anyone has said they are not good to drive, more often then not, highly praised, which it seems you dont want to hear either! So what do you want to hear from GTR owners?

I just think that if I was spending £75k on a car then it would have to make me feel special. I have never heard anyone ever says that sort of thing like they do with similarly priced but empirically worse cars like XKRs, Astons and Maseratis. It just think the numbers game is sort of irrelevant when you get into the hyper-fast territory in which the GTR sits. All of the cars in this bracket are way too fast to be exploited in the vast majority of circumstances, so it comes down to the individual emotional responses and this does nothing for me. This is why I said I wanted to meet an owner to figure out what they felt about it as opposed to just parroting the numbers like a 12 year old.

And yeah, I agree that all new cars are massive compared to older ones; I saw a good picture of a 60s 911 next to the 991 in another thread that proves your point. I wasn't saying that GTR is larger than older Skylines, just that they are large in general.

[monthefish]

raptor600 said:

Bash Brannigan said:

I'd like to meet a GT-R owner, the Nissan just leaves me utterly cold and I'd like to hear the appeal beyond the empirical. I just don't get it!

What's not to get?

It's the quickest car you can buy for the money. It's handling is incredible, the gearbox is incredible - the car just doesn't have any rivals IMO. How can a car you have never driven (I am assuming based on your comment) leave you cold?

Quite easily.

I'm sure that the GTR is a wonderful machine but I have no desire to own one.

With cars like these, desire plays a big part.
If it's not there, it's not there.
It's a very personal thing.

[Nedzilla]

monthefish said:

Quite easily.

I'm sure that the GTR is a wonderful machine but I have no desire to own one.

Neither did I..........until I drove one........now I own one!.

[vz-r_dave]

Nedzilla said:

Neither did I..........until I drove one........now I own one.

I am calling BS here, the fact that you have drove one means nothing. It's all about the reviews that PH users use as their opinions and views that are correct. DrivIng a car means nothing these says Ned, it's all about reading reviews and not driving them and then forming an opinion, that's the done PH deal.

[anonymous-user]

vz-r_dave said:

I am calling BS here

this is ridiculous. no one has said the gtr is boring, slow, a bad drive or any reason at all for you to get so upset. quite the opposite, without having driven one i am totally prepared to accept harris's glowing reviews on it. it simply falls into a category of cars that don't float some people's boat, that is, for me at least; big, heavy, ultra fast, ultra capable, monster cars. i don't want a gulfstream V jet either, i'd much rather own a spitfire. does this upset you to? we don't all have the same tastes, it doesn't have to be particularly logical.

[vz-r_dave]

Fbrs, I own a micra, I have no qualification to comment but perhaps I am too optimistic? I appreciate it all, yes I have preferences but I won't put something down as cold if I have never been behind the wheel. Your not wrong with the spitfire I'd take an MGA/..... Austin healy 3000 over a gtr if I had 30k in zee bank

[elementad]

Like I mentioned before, it doesn't matter which thread you go on. If its about the GTR you'll get a handful of negative opinions. When you look at the profile of the people with the said opinions they're almost always Porsche owners.

There's something about the GTR that makes Porsche owners very defensive about their purchase.

[anonymous-user]

vz-r_dave said:

Austin healy 3000

nice

Edited by fbrs on Friday 18th May 22:31

[GravelBen]

elementad said:

If its about the GTR you'll get a handful of negative opinions. When you look at the profile of the people with the said opinions they're almost always Porsche owners.

I'm not a Porsche owner, it may be fast but its huge, fat and ugly. R32 GTR is much more appealing.

GTR owners/fans seem to enjoy getting defensive and blaming it all on Porsche owners.

[gmh23]

Really enjoyed that video, not sure of the comparison though

[jetpilot]

elementad said:

There's something about the GTR that makes Porsche owners very defensive about their purchase.

I think its fair to say any owners will defend their chosen brand/car, however, Porsche owners seem far more twitchy than others on here

[Lordglenmorangie]

jetpilot said:

I think its fair to say any owners will defend their chosen brand/car, however, Porsche owners seem far more twitchy than others on here

OK to balance the thread, I own a Porsche and have done for over twenty years. I think the Nissan is fking fantastic it's not for me for many reasons. But I respect it on all levels and thank heavens Nissan push the boundaries on super cars like this , particulary as Porsche are heading toward the American market with their main stream cars it seems to me.

Long live high performance cars what ever the badge

[StevieB]

I love both these cars, buts its a fair point that the GT-R as a new car is edging up in price, closer and closer to the Porsche. In fact, a nearly new standard turbo v a new GT-R must now be very closely priced and close on performance too...hmmm, what a choice some people have!

[tjlees]

Lordglenmorangie said:

OK to balance the thread, I own a Porsche and have done for over twenty years. I think the Nissan is fking fantastic it's not for me for many reasons. But I respect it on all levels and thank heavens Nissan push the boundaries on super cars like this , particulary as Porsche are heading toward the American market with their main stream cars it seems to me.

Long live high performance cars what ever the badge

.. And to throw fuel onto it, the Nissan GTR gen 2 is mind blowingly brilliant in terms engine, gearbox and handling but It's a one trick dog. The inside is like the gt4 game on steroids. The looks are challenging. Maintenance is horrendous even when compared to a Porsche turbo, and yes I have a Porsche turbo gen 2 and have driven the Nissan GTR over several days. The Porsche packaging is in a different league especially when buying second hand and there is less of a difference in price between these two.

I have done the Japanese fire cracker thing with the Mitsubishi evo 6/8 and, like the GTR, very good and show much more expensive super cars a clean pair of heals, but at £80+k?

If you really do want to put a £80+k car on the track the porsche GT3 RS would be better than both of these. Maybe not in the wet but that sound of relatively high revving flat six complete crackling and popping is wondrous! And at least your opc warranty will cover you providing you are not too silly.

[DiscoColin]

elementad said:

There's something about the GTR that makes Porsche owners very defensive about their purchase.

Conversely, there is always an alarming amount of small man syndrome coming out of GTR owners...

[crazy about cars]

A GTR - for me anyway - is a car with very excellent value for money. A nice compromise between affordability and fun. If I can afford it, I would go for the GT3RS, V10 R8 GT etc. No questions asked! I don't care if the performance might not be as good as the GTR. However, in the real life, I can't afford those cars. The GTR is the best car I can afford which still gives me the thrills of supercars with much higher price tags.

Personally, I will not spend extra dosh on the track pack. It's just not track focussed enough. As someone mentioned, why delete rear seats and yet not proper harness and roll cage? Just doesn't make too much sense.

However, going for a used GTR in my opinion is the best move to enjoy the thrills at reasonable prices. Mine is a late MY09 which warranty runs out Sept this year. I am seriously thinking of "upgrading" to a MY11 or maybe MY12 then as I am just having so much fun in the GTR. Who knows, if I happen to be better off financially I might even consider other marquees... like the Porches.

Driving is all about personal enjoyment and not about numbers and reciprocating swanky motoring terms like "feel too clinical".

[vz-r_dave]

tjlees said:

.. And to throw fuel onto it, the Nissan GTR gen 2 is mind blowingly brilliant in terms engine, gearbox and handling but It's a one trick dog. The inside is like the gt4 game on steroids. The looks are challenging. Maintenance is horrendous even when compared to a Porsche turbo, and yes I have a Porsche turbo gen 2 and have driven the Nissan GTR over several days. The Porsche packaging is in a different league especially when buying second hand and there is less of a difference in price between these two.

I have done the Japanese fire cracker thing with the Mitsubishi evo 6/8 and, like the GTR, very good and show much more expensive super cars a clean pair of heals, but at £80+k?

If you really do want to put a £80+k car on the track the porsche GT3 RS would be better than both of these. Maybe not in the wet but that sound of relatively high revving flat six complete crackling and popping is wondrous! And at least your opc warranty will cover you providing you are not too silly.

A one trick dog lol, further tripe.

[Phil.]

JulesB said:

The general running costs scares the sheet out of me on both cars, I think they are both out of my price range at the moment anywho so ill stick to my boring hatchbacks for now

I bought a new GTR last March and it came with a 3 year warranty and for £499 included 3 years of servicing. The cost of consumables over 3 years will depend on how far and how fast I drive it. Compare this to a 996TT I had for a couple of years that cost £1k-£1.5k each year in servicing alone. So you are correct about running costs being high but in the case of a new GTR they can be mitigated.

I've never received so much positive attention in a car and that includes a couple of TVR Cerbera's and the 911 Turbo.

Edited by Phil. on Saturday 19th May 16:43