RE: Chris Harris video: GT-R Track Pack vs 911 Turbo
Discussion
I'd really like to see a test with cars like these and then more visceral and basic cars like an Ultima, a Nobel of some similar sort and just compare the driving experiences of similar hp's cost(ish) and capabilities.
As great as this test write up is, overall it's actually really dull, in the sense that, so what that a GT-R and and 911 compete. It's meaningless because in effect they are built around very similar design parameters and objectives.
Chris, do something a bit crazy, a challange for cars with different objectives and agendas and see which one pulls the heartstrings more; cars are emotive, passionate, they should inspire, they should challenge and leave you wanting more from yourself. So what that one glorified hairdryer beats another - test things that pull the heartstrings, that are a little wild, that require input from you that's more than just a steering wheel hand dance; that require you to think and plan and dare I say it, 'connect' with the car. Please.
As great as this test write up is, overall it's actually really dull, in the sense that, so what that a GT-R and and 911 compete. It's meaningless because in effect they are built around very similar design parameters and objectives.
Chris, do something a bit crazy, a challange for cars with different objectives and agendas and see which one pulls the heartstrings more; cars are emotive, passionate, they should inspire, they should challenge and leave you wanting more from yourself. So what that one glorified hairdryer beats another - test things that pull the heartstrings, that are a little wild, that require input from you that's more than just a steering wheel hand dance; that require you to think and plan and dare I say it, 'connect' with the car. Please.
Phil. said:
I bought a new GTR last March and it came with a 3 year warranty and for £499 included 3 years of servicing. The cost of consumables over 3 years will depend on how far and how fast I drive it. Compare this to a 996TT I had for a couple of years that cost £1k-£1.5k each year in servicing alone. So you are correct about running costs being high but in the case of a new GTR they can be mitigated.
I've never received so much positive attention in a car and that includes a couple of TVR Cerbera's and the 911 Turbo.
Servicing for porsche turbo 997.2 is every two years or 20k. Around £500 for a minor first service and £1250 for a major from opc. At a specialist it's a lot cheaper around £300 and £500 resp. Rear tyres from opc are around £410 each fitted ( last year in may following a punctureI've never received so much positive attention in a car and that includes a couple of TVR Cerbera's and the 911 Turbo.
Edited by Phil. on Saturday 19th May 16:43
) or £350 elsewhere. Not cheap but certainly not £1.5k if you keep the mileage down. Warranty is around £2k for two years plus £216 inspection fee and includes reasonable track day usage. Even if you do over rev it etc, according to opc Swindon, an additional £600 inspection (+repairs if required 
) gets you back into the warranty. You can warrant it upto 10 years from Porsche I think with any super car the first 3 years are not bad and if I recall correctly, even massers have a service deal for new cars. the biggest killer is depreciation - the Nissan GTR and Porsche GT3 are not bad. The Porsche turbo falls faster than a fat man jumping out of a plane in the first year or so.
All I get on the attention front is the Porsche salute (w anchor sign) and milfs saying it's pretty - not sure what's worse
Edited by tjlees on Saturday 19th May 17:54
vz-r_dave said:
tjlees said:
.. And to throw fuel onto it, the Nissan GTR gen 2 is mind blowingly brilliant in terms engine, gearbox and handling but It's a one trick dog. The inside is like the gt4 game on steroids. The looks are challenging. Maintenance is horrendous even when compared to a Porsche turbo, and yes I have a Porsche turbo gen 2 and have driven the Nissan GTR over several days. The Porsche packaging is in a different league especially when buying second hand and there is less of a difference in price between these two.
I have done the Japanese fire cracker thing with the Mitsubishi evo 6/8 and, like the GTR, very good and show much more expensive super cars a clean pair of heals, but at £80+k?
If you really do want to put a £80+k car on the track the porsche GT3 RS would be better than both of these. Maybe not in the wet but that sound of relatively high revving flat six complete crackling and popping is wondrous! And at least your opc warranty will cover you providing you are not too silly.
A one trick dog lol, further tripe.I have done the Japanese fire cracker thing with the Mitsubishi evo 6/8 and, like the GTR, very good and show much more expensive super cars a clean pair of heals, but at £80+k?
If you really do want to put a £80+k car on the track the porsche GT3 RS would be better than both of these. Maybe not in the wet but that sound of relatively high revving flat six complete crackling and popping is wondrous! And at least your opc warranty will cover you providing you are not too silly.
Anyway back on topic, Epic video and, Chris, lots more hooning and sliding around is definitely required. If we are on a racetrack, why not throw in the odd Radical, Ariel Atom, Caterham or Ultima? - now that would be very good - plenty of serious fun in that lot!
tjlees said:
Servicing for porsche turbo 997.2 is every two years or 20k. Around £500 for a minor first service and £1250 for a major from opc. At a specialist it's a lot cheaper around £300 and £500 resp. Rear tyres from opc are around £410 each fitted ( last year in may following a puncture) or £350 elsewhere. Not cheap but certainly not £1.5k if you keep the mileage down.
From memory it was the front radiators on the turbo that the increased the servicing costs. I also put on new discs/pads all round and a full set of OM tyres in addition to the £1.5k service costs. I was doing less than 5k miles per year and no track days. Servicing was at a specialist not OPC. ) or £350 elsewhere. Not cheap but certainly not £1.5k if you keep the mileage down. Agree that depreciation in the first 3 years will be the biggest hit. I reckon on circa £10k pa. But with the warranty and servicing pre-paid, other than a set of tyres, the GTR shouldn't cost me any more over the 3 years unless I track it and I didn't buy it as a track car.
I've compared the GTR performance over some local roads that I also drove the 996 Turbo and reckon it's around 15%-20% faster. A lot of that is due to the fantastic gearbox in the GTR. Every petrolhead should try a GTR in full R-mode
Phil. said:
From memory it was the front radiators on the turbo that the increased the servicing costs. I also put on new discs/pads all round and a full set of OM tyres in addition to the £1.5k service costs. I was doing less than 5k miles per year and no track days. Servicing was at a specialist not OPC.
Agree that depreciation in the first 3 years will be the biggest hit. I reckon on circa £10k pa. But with the warranty and servicing pre-paid, other than a set of tyres, the GTR shouldn't cost me any more over the 3 years unless I track it and I didn't buy it as a track car.
I've compared the GTR performance over some local roads that I also drove the 996 Turbo and reckon it's around 15%-20% faster. A lot of that is due to the fantastic gearbox in the GTR. Every petrolhead should try a GTR in full R-mode
Yep. GTR is epic on B roads and you can exploit all those horses. It's the only car I've driven where you can put everything into R mode without risk of automatic filling removal. Similar with 997.2 Turbo with its PDK and sport plus. Both Much better than 996 GT3 in terms suspension and imho better on the road than the 997.2 GT3 given tyres, bumps, cambers and general dampness of the uk roads. Still have a problem with GTR because of it's inside, it's looks and attention from 17yo spotty nosed boys as per evos - maybe better than Milf attention though!Agree that depreciation in the first 3 years will be the biggest hit. I reckon on circa £10k pa. But with the warranty and servicing pre-paid, other than a set of tyres, the GTR shouldn't cost me any more over the 3 years unless I track it and I didn't buy it as a track car.
I've compared the GTR performance over some local roads that I also drove the 996 Turbo and reckon it's around 15%-20% faster. A lot of that is due to the fantastic gearbox in the GTR. Every petrolhead should try a GTR in full R-mode
Edited by tjlees on Saturday 19th May 20:29
elementad said:
Your going to talk numbers though if someone asks you about it. What else would you reply? "it's so good because it has light weight wheels?".
There's is ALWAYS a stepping stone and rivalry between cars and the GTR always HAS rubbed the back of the Porsche fans up. If this video was of the GTR and BMW M3 it would still bring the Porsche fans out the woodwork.
As people have said, people criticising for being too clinical haven't driven it.
The difference is that I'd imagine more of the enthusiasts would buy GTRs whereas with the Porsche you get a mixture of enthusiasts and MDs that know F All about cars just buy the Porsche like an Armani suit as a bit of bling.
As much as a GTR is clinical, Porsche as a brand are boring.
I also know that when I see a GTR in the flesh it's rare and you really look twice.
I see that many Porsches (it doesn't matter what variant) i don't even flinch.
It's all subjective
You must live in a nice neighbourhood. Lots more Nissans on the roads around me, cant say I really look twice.There's is ALWAYS a stepping stone and rivalry between cars and the GTR always HAS rubbed the back of the Porsche fans up. If this video was of the GTR and BMW M3 it would still bring the Porsche fans out the woodwork.
As people have said, people criticising for being too clinical haven't driven it.
The difference is that I'd imagine more of the enthusiasts would buy GTRs whereas with the Porsche you get a mixture of enthusiasts and MDs that know F All about cars just buy the Porsche like an Armani suit as a bit of bling.
As much as a GTR is clinical, Porsche as a brand are boring.
I also know that when I see a GTR in the flesh it's rare and you really look twice.
I see that many Porsches (it doesn't matter what variant) i don't even flinch.
It's all subjective
Dont see many 911 turbos though. I guess its all subjective.
manual4me said:
elementad said:
Your going to talk numbers though if someone asks you about it. What else would you reply? "it's so good because it has light weight wheels?".
There's is ALWAYS a stepping stone and rivalry between cars and the GTR always HAS rubbed the back of the Porsche fans up. If this video was of the GTR and BMW M3 it would still bring the Porsche fans out the woodwork.
As people have said, people criticising for being too clinical haven't driven it.
The difference is that I'd imagine more of the enthusiasts would buy GTRs whereas with the Porsche you get a mixture of enthusiasts and MDs that know F All about cars just buy the Porsche like an Armani suit as a bit of bling.
As much as a GTR is clinical, Porsche as a brand are boring.
I also know that when I see a GTR in the flesh it's rare and you really look twice.
I see that many Porsches (it doesn't matter what variant) i don't even flinch.
It's all subjective
You must live in a nice neighbourhood. Lots more Nissans on the roads around me, cant say I really look twice.There's is ALWAYS a stepping stone and rivalry between cars and the GTR always HAS rubbed the back of the Porsche fans up. If this video was of the GTR and BMW M3 it would still bring the Porsche fans out the woodwork.
As people have said, people criticising for being too clinical haven't driven it.
The difference is that I'd imagine more of the enthusiasts would buy GTRs whereas with the Porsche you get a mixture of enthusiasts and MDs that know F All about cars just buy the Porsche like an Armani suit as a bit of bling.
As much as a GTR is clinical, Porsche as a brand are boring.
I also know that when I see a GTR in the flesh it's rare and you really look twice.
I see that many Porsches (it doesn't matter what variant) i don't even flinch.
It's all subjective
Dont see many 911 turbos though. I guess its all subjective.
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