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elementad
350 posts
19 months
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otolith said: elementad said: The only thing that makes the cayman s the price that it is as opposed to sub £35k is the margins Porsche work to.
Same with the toyobaru. They both apparently want a high profit margin on this car. All relative - given that it is reputed that it costs Porsche no more to build a 911 than a Cayman, it would appear that the margin on the Cayman is tiny by Porsche standards. I wonder how much more a Megane 265 retailing at 25k costs Renault to build than the 1.6 of the same body style retaining at 17k? Next to nothing would be my guess. elementad said: The main contributor to the 370z increased weight from the GT86 is the heavy big v6 engine, not lard in the cabin (theres no room fir anything there) or iron girders holding it together. It's made up partly of aluminium panels. The 370Z is also a little bigger in every dimension, particularly width. You get the vicious circle of added weight and power, in that you need more robust transmission, bigger brakes, bigger wheels and tyres, etc. The 911, Cayman thing further emphasises what I was saying above referencing the Adidas predators perceived value. Make no mistake, Porsche make a pretty penny on caymans and as you point out an even prettier penny on 911s. Agree about the Renault, BUT for some reason (and I honestly can't put my finger on what it is - and Ive never owned a Renault) I don't feel as the 265 is as overpriced as Porsche products. It seems somehow more realistic pricing even if a tad expensive.
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superman84
769 posts
34 months
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Stig said: Ah, car reviews  Conversely, our own Chris Harris and Top Gear's Ollie Marriage loved it. So, it may turn out to be a bit of a marmite car with 'purists' loving it and those perhaps who use gobs of power to mask chassis deficiencies not quite 'getting it'. As I said - I treat journo reviews with a pinch of salt and would take a racer's opinion over a jobbing automotive scribe anytime. As you rightly say, let's just hope they sell enough to keep the evolution going. Personally I think it has the makings of another AE86 in terms of cult following - the tuner market will see to that  I really doubt it'll have a cult following. If it was as good as they claimed it would be then it might have been in with a shout but given that it's not very good it's going struggle not to be a complete flop. The fact that the new Renaultsport Megane is is better equipped, more practical, much faster but more importantly manages to be a more fun driver's car says it all really. It just goes to show that being light, rwd and having a bespoke chassis doesnt automatically make a car 'better' or more fun despite what the PH 'purists' claim. Also that engine is going to cost a fortune to tune. Saying that this version looks immense, it's just a shame that the one on sale is so limp.
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IAJO
170 posts
27 months
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superman84 said: I really doubt it'll have a cult following. If it was as good as they claimed it would be then it might have been in with a shout but given that it's not very good it's going struggle not to be a complete flop. The fact that the new Renaultsport Megane is is better equipped, more practical, much faster but more importantly manages to be a more fun driver's car says it all really. It just goes to show that being light, rwd and having a bespoke chassis doesnt automatically make a car 'better' or more fun despite what the PH 'purists' claim. Also that engine is going to cost a fortune to tune.
Saying that this version looks immense, it's just a shame that the one on sale is so limp.
In ten years time the megane will have more electrical faults than the national grid and the jap tuning scene will mean these are still sought after like celicas mr2s supras skylines 200sx typers. None of these cars are perfect but they can all be made good and.have huge aftermarket support and so will 86 and the brz.
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Stig
9,969 posts
153 months
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superman84 said: I really doubt it'll have a cult following. If it was as good as they claimed it would be then it might have been in with a shout but given that it's not very good it's going struggle not to be a complete flop. The fact that the new Renaultsport Megane is is better equipped, more practical, much faster but more importantly manages to be a more fun driver's car says it all really. It just goes to show that being light, rwd and having a bespoke chassis doesnt automatically make a car 'better' or more fun despite what the PH 'purists' claim. Also that engine is going to cost a fortune to tune.
Saying that this version looks immense, it's just a shame that the one on sale is so limp.
I'm intrigued by your comments that it's 'not very good'. Are you simply basing that on Evo's review of the car or a title-wide sweep of negative reviews of the car (of which there isn't)?
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s m
8,110 posts
72 months
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Stig said: superman84 said: I really doubt it'll have a cult following. If it was as good as they claimed it would be then it might have been in with a shout but given that it's not very good it's going struggle not to be a complete flop. The fact that the new Renaultsport Megane is is better equipped, more practical, much faster but more importantly manages to be a more fun driver's car says it all really. It just goes to show that being light, rwd and having a bespoke chassis doesnt automatically make a car 'better' or more fun despite what the PH 'purists' claim. Also that engine is going to cost a fortune to tune.
Saying that this version looks immense, it's just a shame that the one on sale is so limp.
I'm intrigued by your comments that it's 'not very good'. Are you simply basing that on Evo's review of the car or a title-wide sweep of negative reviews of the car (of which there isn't)? GT86 gets a much better review in the new EVO - spring rates make a noticeable difference ( as well as manual box )
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s m
8,110 posts
72 months
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kambites said: By my definition (which I couldn't even state categorically myself and certainly bears no resemblance to the origins of the word), the only coupe that BMW currently make is the 6-series. Do you class the 4-door one as a coupe? Or only the 2-door?
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Bladedancer
394 posts
65 months
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s m said: Plus the forthcoming M135i at around 30k Well true, 30k basic but we all know that you can't just buy basic cause there's hardly any kit in it, so you have to add a few grand to the price. Plus new 1 Series is just plain ugly. I mean, old one was no beauty but the new one is hideous.
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kambites
32,864 posts
90 months
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s m said: kambites said: By my definition (which I couldn't even state categorically myself and certainly bears no resemblance to the origins of the word), the only coupe that BMW currently make is the 6-series. Do you class the 4-door one as a coupe? Or only the 2-door? No, I'd call the four-door a saloon.
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Blown2CV
6,536 posts
72 months
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Bladedancer said: s m said: Plus the forthcoming M135i at around 30k Well true, 30k basic but we all know that you can't just buy basic cause there's hardly any kit in it, so you have to add a few grand to the price. Plus new 1 Series is just plain ugly. I mean, old one was no beauty but the new one is hideous. would you really buy a GT86 for the spec though? Surely it is about enjoyment, or is that all about DAB radios and bum-warmers now?
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s m
8,110 posts
72 months
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kambites said: s m said: kambites said: By my definition (which I couldn't even state categorically myself and certainly bears no resemblance to the origins of the word), the only coupe that BMW currently make is the 6-series. Do you class the 4-door one as a coupe? Or only the 2-door? No, I'd call the four-door a saloon. Yes, I only tend to think of 2/3 door cars as coupes too even though historically, there have been 4-door coupes. The term coupe seems quite loose. The Wikipedia entry is interesting to read
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Stig
9,969 posts
153 months
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Worth noting that the GT86's that ran in last weekend's Nurburgring 24 hours BOTH won their classes. The V class is pretty much production car spec.
So, a fairly sound endorsement not only of their track abilities but reliability too.
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