School Transportation of P1's
Discussion
CampDavid said:
Take it you never got the bus to school.
School buses are:
Always the oldest in a coaches fleet - due to the way they get treated by the kids.
School bus drivers get no extra training
School buses still don't even require seatbelts (unless this has recently changed)
I used to get the bus to school in rural Cumbria, about 3 miles each way. In Harrogate I used to get the school bus there and back, about the same distance.School buses are:
Always the oldest in a coaches fleet - due to the way they get treated by the kids.
School bus drivers get no extra training
School buses still don't even require seatbelts (unless this has recently changed)
In each case the buses were likely the oldest in the fleet.
They were also fit for purpose, licensed, registered and certified road worthy. They were driven by qualified drivers whose job description and profession was driving buses with passengers and were insured.
10 Pence Short said:
I used to get the bus to school in rural Cumbria, about 3 miles each way. In Harrogate I used to get the school bus there and back, about the same distance.
In each case the buses were likely the oldest in the fleet.
They were also fit for purpose, licensed, registered and certified road worthy. They were driven by qualified drivers whose job description and profession was driving buses with passengers and were insured.
To be fair as far as we know the car was; fit for purpose, liscensed, registered, certified roadworthy and driven by a qualified driver.In each case the buses were likely the oldest in the fleet.
They were also fit for purpose, licensed, registered and certified road worthy. They were driven by qualified drivers whose job description and profession was driving buses with passengers and were insured.
Sorry but this is an absolute joke 
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I have took children to music exams before in my cars (also out on jollies because the kids are interested in my old cars, always ask parents first) - never had a complaint and my cars are all over 35 years old, some don't have seat belts. What is it with nanny state parents these days? When I have kids, they'll be going to school in a 420G.
Excuse to buy one and all that? 
Seriously, I just don't see what is wrong with what has happened?
.I have took children to music exams before in my cars (also out on jollies because the kids are interested in my old cars, always ask parents first) - never had a complaint and my cars are all over 35 years old, some don't have seat belts. What is it with nanny state parents these days? When I have kids, they'll be going to school in a 420G.
Excuse to buy one and all that? Seriously, I just don't see what is wrong with what has happened?
V8Triumph said:
Sorry but this is an absolute joke .
I have took children to music exams before in my cars (also out on jollies because the kids are interested in my old cars, always ask parents first) - never had a complaint and my cars are all over 35 years old, some don't have seat belts. What is it with nanny state parents these days? When I have kids, they'll be going to school in a 420G. Excuse to buy one and all that?
Seriously, I just don't see what is wrong with what has happened?
Burn him!!!! .I have took children to music exams before in my cars (also out on jollies because the kids are interested in my old cars, always ask parents first) - never had a complaint and my cars are all over 35 years old, some don't have seat belts. What is it with nanny state parents these days? When I have kids, they'll be going to school in a 420G.
Excuse to buy one and all that? Seriously, I just don't see what is wrong with what has happened?
I agree. Bring back the 70's, 80's and even the 90's I say. There was none of this hysterical nannying crap back then.
Snowboy said:
There does seem to be some confusion between the idea of nanny state and the idea of parental concern.
The 2 have just over lapped to create the current breed of soft t
ts that threaten legal action every 30 seconds because little Johnny has fallen over and school and someone must be held accountable. Baz Tench said:
V8Triumph said:
Sorry but this is an absolute joke .
I have took children to music exams before in my cars (also out on jollies because the kids are interested in my old cars, always ask parents first) - never had a complaint and my cars are all over 35 years old, some don't have seat belts. What is it with nanny state parents these days? When I have kids, they'll be going to school in a 420G. Excuse to buy one and all that?
Seriously, I just don't see what is wrong with what has happened?
Burn him!!!! .I have took children to music exams before in my cars (also out on jollies because the kids are interested in my old cars, always ask parents first) - never had a complaint and my cars are all over 35 years old, some don't have seat belts. What is it with nanny state parents these days? When I have kids, they'll be going to school in a 420G.
Excuse to buy one and all that? Seriously, I just don't see what is wrong with what has happened?
I agree. Bring back the 70's, 80's and even the 90's I say. There was none of this hysterical nannying crap back then.
Possibly 11 or 12 yoofs - boys and girls sitting on each other in close bodily contact
- all rammed into a Cortina estate and taken to Butlins for a sneaky mornings free swimming whilst the Responsibe Adult held a saturday morning surgery...6 young boys squeezed in a tweaked Lotus Cortina and making more than reasonable progress on the public highway driven by the Responsible Adult who happended to be a very good club rally driver...
Responsible Adult doing over 130 MPH in an E Type on the village bypass with 3 small boys in the back and two more in the front with no seatbelts...
Responsible Adult with other peoples chillllldren in a brand new 3.0 Capri racing other cars away from the lights and drifting round corners late at night through central London on our way back to school...
Responsible Adult giving me his lit cigarette to hold (and smoke) when I was about 10 years old whilst he demonstrated how to to syphon petrol out of a car after the lawnmower ran out...
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k me I've died lots...DanDC5 said:
Snowboy said:
There does seem to be some confusion between the idea of nanny state and the idea of parental concern.
The 2 have just over lapped to create the current breed of soft tts that threaten legal action every 30 seconds because little Johnny has fallen over and school and someone must be held accountable. But, that is a totally different situation to the concept that a parent does not want their 5 year old kid driven around in a car in a manner they feel in unsafe.
There are two factors at play here.
1) whether the OP is being overprotective of his kids.
2) Whether the school should be making decision about driving kids round outside of school.
Whatever you think of factor 1, I can’t imagine many people think it’s OK for the school to make such a decision without first checking with parents.
With regards to all the comments about never being harmed whilst being carried in the seventies, stood up, wearing flares on the roof of your dads Viva, it did and does still happen, its just that the dead ones arent hear to tell their stories of the good old ker-azy seventies and how safe if was rolling round on the load bed of a Cortina Estate.
My brother in law was in a school minibus that crashed and was lung from it, he had several broken bones, his head needed a plate in it, he missed a year of school and has had issues due to it ever since, most recently, 30 years on an operation to remove a bone fragment.
A kid at school had a crash on Anglessey, he survived but couldnt come back to our school as was a bit too dribbly.
If you arent happy take it up with the school, don't be too polite to ask, just mention it
My brother in law was in a school minibus that crashed and was lung from it, he had several broken bones, his head needed a plate in it, he missed a year of school and has had issues due to it ever since, most recently, 30 years on an operation to remove a bone fragment.
A kid at school had a crash on Anglessey, he survived but couldnt come back to our school as was a bit too dribbly.
If you arent happy take it up with the school, don't be too polite to ask, just mention it
I know quite a few teachers and given the huge amount of nannying they're subjected to I'm amazed any would have the guts to do this.
What I would say is this: It sounds like they did what they thought was best to stop the kids missing out on the trip. It may have been naive to use their own cars, but it sounds like they acted in the best interest and any official complaints could land them in very serious trouble.
There's always the risk that teachers succumb to a 'computer says no' approach when they live in fear of getting bked for using their initiative.
What I would say is this: It sounds like they did what they thought was best to stop the kids missing out on the trip. It may have been naive to use their own cars, but it sounds like they acted in the best interest and any official complaints could land them in very serious trouble.
There's always the risk that teachers succumb to a 'computer says no' approach when they live in fear of getting b
ked for using their initiative.
Snowboy said:
There are two factors at play here.
1) whether the OP is being overprotective of his kids.
2) Whether the school should be making decision about driving kids round outside of school.
Whatever you think of factor 1, I can’t imagine many people think it’s OK for the school to make such a decision without first checking with parents.
Has it really come to this? It's not whether he feels it's unsafe, it's whether it was unsafe.1) whether the OP is being overprotective of his kids.
2) Whether the school should be making decision about driving kids round outside of school.
Whatever you think of factor 1, I can’t imagine many people think it’s OK for the school to make such a decision without first checking with parents.
As shown earlier in the thread, no law was broken as there are exemptions in place for 3 children in the rear of a car. Presumably the teacher held a licence, the car was legal and insured and finally, what harm befell the child?
None. And in the unlikely event they were in an RTA, what's the likelihood of the OP's child being injured (you can work out the probablility if you like, it's going to be highly unlikely they will be)?
Really, if you have that kind of fear of other people, how do you function letting your children out of the house?
I have a child (therefore somehow rendering me more qualified to comment) and if she were to miss a trip due to the school not having enough space on a minibus, I'd be more annoyed about her being left out than if some kind-hearted teacher had used her own car to take the overflow (even if that car was equipped with - horror of horror - NON STANDARDS ALLOY WHEELS!!!!11!!!ONE!!!).
Maybe they just missed out the unfounded fear and irrationality injection for my wife and I on the maternity ward.....
Mark Benson said:
Has it really come to this? It's not whether he feels it's unsafe, it's whether it was unsafe.
As shown earlier in the thread, no law was broken as there are exemptions in place for 3 children in the rear of a car. Presumably the teacher held a licence, the car was legal and insured and finally, what harm befell the child?
None. And in the unlikely event they were in an RTA, what's the likelihood of the OP's child being injured (you can work out the probablility if you like, it's going to be highly unlikely they will be)?
Really, if you have that kind of fear of other people, how do you function letting your children out of the house?
I have a child (therefore somehow rendering me more qualified to comment) and if she were to miss a trip due to the school not having enough space on a minibus, I'd be more annoyed about her being left out than if some kind-hearted teacher had used her own car to take the overflow (even if that car was equipped with - horror of horror - NON STANDARDS ALLOY WHEELS!!!!11!!!ONE!!!).
Maybe they just missed out the unfounded fear and irrationality injection for my wife and I on the maternity ward.....
As shown earlier in the thread, no law was broken as there are exemptions in place for 3 children in the rear of a car. Presumably the teacher held a licence, the car was legal and insured and finally, what harm befell the child?
None. And in the unlikely event they were in an RTA, what's the likelihood of the OP's child being injured (you can work out the probablility if you like, it's going to be highly unlikely they will be)?
Really, if you have that kind of fear of other people, how do you function letting your children out of the house?
I have a child (therefore somehow rendering me more qualified to comment) and if she were to miss a trip due to the school not having enough space on a minibus, I'd be more annoyed about her being left out than if some kind-hearted teacher had used her own car to take the overflow (even if that car was equipped with - horror of horror - NON STANDARDS ALLOY WHEELS!!!!11!!!ONE!!!).
Maybe they just missed out the unfounded fear and irrationality injection for my wife and I on the maternity ward.....
+1 You have summarised what I have been trying to say from the first page in this thread! 
The very fact that this thread even EXISTS sums up everything that is wrong with our country today - the obsessive nanny state, middle class parents endlessly questioning anything to do wth their children, and dreaming up ever more complex and unlikely 'what ifs' to justify even more checks, complaints and pettyness.
If I were that parent (I have three children who are amazingly still alive despite the fact that I smoke and drive a NON STANDARD CAR and EAT MEAT! One of my children also once got a small bit of dirt on him, but we managed to escape getting him taken into care - phew!) I would write to the headmaster to congratulate him on using a bit of initiative and NOT getting bogged down in procedure.
And for all those wittering on about CRB checks and the like remember that it is VERY unlikely that you child will be interfered with by anyone, even less likely a teacher or random person. The MOST likely person to interfere with them (statistically) is their parent, grandparent, or uncle. Think on that at the next family barbecue, whilst tutting at your neighbours non standard alloys.
PS the use of the phrase "non standard alloys" sums up everything about the OP too.
If I were that parent (I have three children who are amazingly still alive despite the fact that I smoke and drive a NON STANDARD CAR and EAT MEAT! One of my children also once got a small bit of dirt on him, but we managed to escape getting him taken into care - phew!) I would write to the headmaster to congratulate him on using a bit of initiative and NOT getting bogged down in procedure.
And for all those wittering on about CRB checks and the like remember that it is VERY unlikely that you child will be interfered with by anyone, even less likely a teacher or random person. The MOST likely person to interfere with them (statistically) is their parent, grandparent, or uncle. Think on that at the next family barbecue, whilst tutting at your neighbours non standard alloys.
PS the use of the phrase "non standard alloys" sums up everything about the OP too.
Mark Benson said:
Has it really come to this? It's not whether he feels it's unsafe, it's whether it was unsafe.
Yes.When it comes to making decisions about the safety of other people’s kids then every care should be taken at every stage.
Like I said, there are some teacher who I know and would trust to drive a minibus full of kids.
There are other teachers I know who I wouldn’t want to drive me, let alone a child.
Baz Tench said:
V8Triumph said:
Sorry but this is an absolute joke .
I have took children to music exams before in my cars (also out on jollies because the kids are interested in my old cars, always ask parents first) - never had a complaint and my cars are all over 35 years old, some don't have seat belts. What is it with nanny state parents these days? When I have kids, they'll be going to school in a 420G. Excuse to buy one and all that?
Seriously, I just don't see what is wrong with what has happened?
Burn him!!!! .I have took children to music exams before in my cars (also out on jollies because the kids are interested in my old cars, always ask parents first) - never had a complaint and my cars are all over 35 years old, some don't have seat belts. What is it with nanny state parents these days? When I have kids, they'll be going to school in a 420G.
Excuse to buy one and all that? Seriously, I just don't see what is wrong with what has happened?
I agree. Bring back the 70's, 80's and even the 90's I say. There was none of this hysterical nannying crap back then.
First childhood memory was being in my mum's Alfa Spider Duetto, aged about 2-3ish ... "Love Shack" blurrng out of the stereo so that gives an indication of my age, LOL!
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