School Transportation of P1's

School Transportation of P1's

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steve singh

3,995 posts

172 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Snowboy said:
I would not want any kid of mine being driven around by a random teacher in their own car without any sort of discussion about it first.
+1

F1GTRUeno

6,335 posts

217 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Just waiting for the OP to move in next to Heathrow or Brands Hatch and complain about loud noises in the nearby vicinity.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

216 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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I don't understand why every thread on PH (well, the internet...) has to become so polarised?

It doesn't follow that someone who would not be happy with their child travelling in a teacher's car (without consent or knowledge of insurance) is somehow a litigation happy, health and safety freak. Parents send kids to school to be taught by people who are good teachers, not necessarily good drivers.

Assuming all the required checks and balances were in place, I then don't see why a teacher couldn't use their own car, if the parents consented to this happening.

It's just a question of balance. To use this thread as an opportunity to falsely place people at one end or the other of some lazily invented spectrum according to PH is just crass and unhelpful.

steve singh

3,995 posts

172 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
It's just a question of balance. To use this thread as an opportunity to falsely place people at one end or the other of some lazily invented spectrum according to PH is just crass and unhelpful.
Unfortunately some posters seem to gain pleasure from doing this - why I'm not sure...

Jamie VTS

1,238 posts

146 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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steve singh said:
Unfortunately some posters seem to gain pleasure from doing this - why I'm not sure...
I think the "fking apoplectic with rage" chap put himself at one end, as did the guy who told me to fk off because i dont have kids...

Mark Benson

7,498 posts

268 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Snowboy said:
Yes.
When it comes to making decisions about the safety of other people’s kids then every care should be taken at every stage.

Like I said, there are some teacher who I know and would trust to drive a minibus full of kids.
There are other teachers I know who I wouldn’t want to drive me, let alone a child.
But that's still your opinion, not an empirical measure. And opinion can be driven by emotion and not necessarily logic.

I seriously doubt there are many teachers who would be incapable of driving carefully with 3 small children aboard. I just find it incredible what some parents find to complain about - maybe because we've been through so much with our daughter (documented elsewhere on PH) that we're a little less paranoid than most (and a whole heap less than some), but it just strikes me as incredibly out of proportion, not to mention a little sad that the attitude shown above exists in so many parents.

Javam

42 posts

142 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
It's just a question of balance. To use this thread as an opportunity to falsely place people at one end or the other of some lazily invented spectrum according to PH is just crass and unhelpful.
Completely agree.

It seems the sooner you can group people into an extreme stereotype the sooner you can let rip with the ignorant and completely unjustified abuse.

Shades of grey are impediments to soap box bigotry as the purveyor of such polarised opinions rarely lacks the ability for more reasoned discussion, so best to think in black and white and then you don't have to deal with the little things like details and facts.

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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There is a reason 5 year old kids have booster seats, standard seatbelts are not designed for them and they tend to slide out or the belt is in the wrong place, in an accident this is a bad situation but of course a harassed teacher with a car full of excitable five year olds is never going to crash...

There was no harm done and it was fairly unlikely, it was however still a possibility, a tough call to say kids arent going on a trip but as a teacher they aren't covered on their insurance by the sound of it, this isnt SDP or commuting, it would be business I expect. If I were a teacher I would be very wary of this, mainly as I dont want puke on my interior but also the possible ramifications, of course everyone on here either doesnt have kids or would just, after an accident in which their child had been killed or injured just support the teacher as he was doing something to help out, no I suspect he would be torn apart legally and sued for damages, lose his house and never teach again, like the lottery, low odds but a very big deal when it does happen.

All the moaning about nannying and H and S gone mad, the reason is that when we do have something happen, so many dont just get over it they are like a Dog with a bone and pimp their issue to the no win/no fee brigade for a few quid, then wonder why nobody can do anything next time.

TallbutBuxomly

12,254 posts

215 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
Would people let someone they've barely met, who they've never seen drive, who they don't even know holds a licence, let alone what convictions are on it, with no proof of insurance, drive their car unsupervised?
Yes because I would trust the schools judgement. If however I found out they were uninsured, unlicensed, driving an unroadworthy vehicle etc then sure I would be having words with the school.

Otherwise its not the big deal some on here seem to think it is.

Bayerischer

194 posts

146 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Jamie VTS said:
steve singh said:
Unfortunately some posters seem to gain pleasure from doing this - why I'm not sure...
I think the "fking apoplectic with rage" chap put himself at one end, as did the guy who told me to fk off because i dont have kids...
yeah, and I stand by that comment. If you try to tell parents that their attitude to their own kids' safety is wrong, then 90% of the time you're not going to get a good response - even if you have a good argument, let alone a retarded one like yours.

rohrl

8,712 posts

144 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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If I had children I'd employ Securicor to transport them in a security van with motorcycle outriders and frankly any parent who does anything else is no better than a paedophile themself.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

216 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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rohrl said:
If I had children I'd employ Securicor to transport them in a security van with motorcycle outriders and frankly any parent who does anything else is no better than a paedophile themself.
Nazi gay left wing Prius fker.

rohrl

8,712 posts

144 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
rohrl said:
If I had children I'd employ Securicor to transport them in a security van with motorcycle outriders and frankly any parent who does anything else is no better than a paedophile themself.
Nazi gay left wing Prius fker.
How very dare you, Sir.

I am apoplectic with rage.

furious

See, told you.

CampDavid

9,145 posts

197 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Bayerischer said:
yeah, and I stand by that comment. If you try to tell parents that their attitude to their own kids' safety is wrong, then 90% of the time you're not going to get a good response - even if you have a good argument, let alone a retarded one like yours.
BillBailey said:
So what is this "speaking as a mother" then? Is that a euphemism for "talking out of my arse"? "Suspending rational thought for a moment"? As a rational human being, Al-Qaeda are a loose association of psychopathic zealots who could be rounded up with a sustained police investigation. But speaking as a parent, they’re all eight foot tall, they’ve got lasers under their moustaches, a huge eye in their foreheads and the only way to kill them is to NUKE every country that hasn’t sent us a Christmas card in the the last 20 years!! "Speaking as a mother".
His argument was pretty good. Maybe if you get a vasectomy you'll understand?

Jamie VTS

1,238 posts

146 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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CampDavid said:
His argument was pretty good. Maybe if you get a vasectomy you'll understand?
I thought so too, but I didnt want to send him into another apoplectic rage so I bit my tongue!



honest_delboy

1,498 posts

199 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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I really want "fking apoplectic with rage" and "non standard alloys" to make it into the PH dictionary a la 335d, mx-5, powerfully built, etc etc

E24man

6,655 posts

178 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Err, have I been re-directed to mumsnet?

CampDavid

9,145 posts

197 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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honest_delboy said:
I really want "fking apoplectic with rage" and "non standard alloys" to make it into the PH dictionary a la 335d, mx-5, powerfully built, etc etc
Ironicly, the whole "PH Dictionary" makes me apoplectic with rage...

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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E24man said:
Err, have I been re-directed to mumsnet?
If that happened, I would also be fking apoplectic with rage tbh.