School Transportation of P1's
Discussion
benjj said:
I assume that the mention of the aftermarket wheels is to point out that if the teacher crashed, killing everyone, that the insurance company would wriggle out of paying. This would leave all the parents/families of dead kids left to sue the estate of the dead teacher. This would net them up to and including the square root of f
k all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.
And this is why many people won't take your reply seriouslyk all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.'If my child dies who do I chase for money' what a f
king joke of a frame of mind to have.benjj said:
Jamie VTS said:
No I did however spend 18 years being one.
So, let me get this straight... You are questioning the judgement of a parent even though you're not one?Thing is, even if it was massively dangerous, I'm not sure what getting angry would do.
Personally, I'd probably send an e-mail THANKING the school for being resourceful enough to make sure all the kids could go, possibly suggesting that they go buy a few booster seats so that it this happens again they're prepaired. I'd also get them to look at adding cover for the teachers use their own cars in rare circmstances - they should be able to get that sorted fairly easily.
As a side note, my better half is a teacher and in this situation I'd have told her to not bother and cancel the trip because of insurance reasons. She's a better person than me and would, rationally, have worked out that it was better for the trip to go ahead than to cancel the whole thing.
As another aside, I'd rather my kids were in a 30mph shunt in a clio, rather than a mini bus
Personally, I'd probably send an e-mail THANKING the school for being resourceful enough to make sure all the kids could go, possibly suggesting that they go buy a few booster seats so that it this happens again they're prepaired. I'd also get them to look at adding cover for the teachers use their own cars in rare circmstances - they should be able to get that sorted fairly easily.
As a side note, my better half is a teacher and in this situation I'd have told her to not bother and cancel the trip because of insurance reasons. She's a better person than me and would, rationally, have worked out that it was better for the trip to go ahead than to cancel the whole thing.
As another aside, I'd rather my kids were in a 30mph shunt in a clio, rather than a mini bus
Jamie VTS said:
Bayerischer said:
Its a little different. Come back to this thread when you have kids. until then f**k off
Being 20 years old I have decided (unlike it seems the majority of the population) to wait until I am able to provide a decemt life for any kids until I spread my genes. I am shocked that someone as rude and ignorant as you is able to find any one to father children with. Bayerischer you've made yourself look a right child there.
DannyScene said:
benjj said:
I assume that the mention of the aftermarket wheels is to point out that if the teacher crashed, killing everyone, that the insurance company would wriggle out of paying. This would leave all the parents/families of dead kids left to sue the estate of the dead teacher. This would net them up to and including the square root of fk all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.
And this is why many people won't take your reply seriouslyk all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.'If my child dies who do I chase for money' what a f
king joke of a frame of mind to have.Don't be overcome with grief
Phone lawyers 4 u and you can get a nice new flat screen telly today
thinfourth2 said:
DannyScene said:
benjj said:
I assume that the mention of the aftermarket wheels is to point out that if the teacher crashed, killing everyone, that the insurance company would wriggle out of paying. This would leave all the parents/families of dead kids left to sue the estate of the dead teacher. This would net them up to and including the square root of fk all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.
And this is why many people won't take your reply seriouslyk all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.'If my child dies who do I chase for money' what a f
king joke of a frame of mind to have.Don't be overcome with grief
Phone lawyers 4 u and you can get a nice new flat screen telly today
I pity the younger generation. They are so protected that they will have no idea how to live their own lives when daddy and mummy finally let them out of the cotton wool.
I'd rather the tiny risk of something happening to my children than the certainty of a stunted childhood. Yes - I have kids. I let them walk and cycle to school - I had to write the headmaster before he could allow it. I was tempted to tell him that its wasn't his business how my children travel, but I guess the poor man was trying to defend himself from people like OP.
I'd rather the tiny risk of something happening to my children than the certainty of a stunted childhood. Yes - I have kids. I let them walk and cycle to school - I had to write the headmaster before he could allow it. I was tempted to tell him that its wasn't his business how my children travel, but I guess the poor man was trying to defend himself from people like OP.
V88Dicky said:
To the OP, relax, chillout and be thankful that your kid's school has helpful teachers like that. I'm sure there was tests done in the States that showed that kids at booster seat age were no more likely to be killed or injured if they were wearing an adult seatbelt without a booster.
That may be the case once you start talking about 10+, but the OP's child is 5 and there is plenty of evidence to show that small children are actually much more likely to have serious injuries and more likely to die in front facing car seats (let alone boosters) Vs rear facing car seats. The Scandinavian countries have taken it seriously enough to strongly recommend (just short of mandatory currently) that all children under 25kg are in rear facing seats. The number of injuries and deaths are believed to have reduced as a result.I am not suggesting the teachers need to have 5 star NCAP cars, rear facing seats only and drive like they are at the wheel of the popemobile, but this is a clear breach of their duty of care to not even provide the minimum required. Especially as a bit of number counting in advance could have flagged this up earlier and I am sure parents would have been very happy to provide a seat for their children if asked.
As to the posts about what is the big deal or be grateful the teachers did it, either you have no children of your own or a complete disregard for their safety. I kind of hope it is just the former.
To say that 20/30/40... years ago I did X and it was fine is going to gives a rather onesided view of the how safe that period was as the people who are anything put fine as a result of not being secured are not well equipped to respond. Unless PH has a medium equipped API to commune with the dead that I am not aware of...
I know this sounds preachy and perhaps very un-PH, but to give someone a hard time for being concerned about the safety of their children seems callous at best.
On one side I'd be concerned that no proper risk assessment was done. Was insurance in place?
On the other hand I'd be quite pleased that the teachers used their inititive to get the kids there.
Be interesting to see how many Parents moan and how many volunteer to drive next time? I'd a few of the former and none of the latter.....
On the other hand I'd be quite pleased that the teachers used their inititive to get the kids there.
Be interesting to see how many Parents moan and how many volunteer to drive next time? I'd a few of the former and none of the latter.....
DannyScene said:
thinfourth2 said:
DannyScene said:
benjj said:
I assume that the mention of the aftermarket wheels is to point out that if the teacher crashed, killing everyone, that the insurance company would wriggle out of paying. This would leave all the parents/families of dead kids left to sue the estate of the dead teacher. This would net them up to and including the square root of fk all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.
And this is why many people won't take your reply seriouslyk all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.'If my child dies who do I chase for money' what a f
king joke of a frame of mind to have.Don't be overcome with grief
Phone lawyers 4 u and you can get a nice new flat screen telly today
YorkshirePudding said:
This is the reason why I stopped volunteering my spare time to drive the mini bus at my daughters school.
It's just not worth the trouble any more.
On one trip one of the mothers threatened to report me because I was pushing herlittle bd son too high in a swing FFS.
That I grant you is ridiculous.It's just not worth the trouble any more.
On one trip one of the mothers threatened to report me because I was pushing her
dIt does seem the ability to just ask someone not to do something because you would prefer it if they didn't has been lost and instead people just scream about official/legal action instead.
Javam said:
It does seem the ability to just ask someone not to do something because you would prefer it if they didn't has been lost and instead people just scream about official/legal action instead.
She actually did tbf, it was the fact that I stopped pushing and told her to do it that wound her up 
St John Smythe said:
Bayerischer said:
Jamie VTS said:
benjj said:
Yes, absolutely. Do you have kids?
No I did however spend 18 years being one.
Jamie VTS said:
Bayerischer said:
Its a little different. Come back to this thread when you have kids. until then f**k off
Being 20 years old I have decided (unlike it seems the majority of the population) to wait until I am able to provide a decemt life for any kids until I spread my genes. I am shocked that someone as rude and ignorant as you is able to find any one to father children with. tty comments on this topic, which is pretty serious as Pistonheads topics goes, would seem to make you the ignorant one. Javam said:
As to the posts about what is the big deal or be grateful the teachers did it, either you have no children of your own or a complete disregard for their safety. I kind of hope it is just the former.
Neither, I'm afraid. I have 8 children to 5 different mothers, with twins on the way with my new girlfriend. I don't have any tax on the Vectra at the moment, so I rarely take the kids out anyway, but when I do, I make sure I've stayed off the pop for a couple of hours at least, so I'm good to drive. If any of my kids had came home saying they'd been in a teachers car, I'd have chinned the little fkers!So there, I don't completely disregard their safety.
Bayerischer said:
Jamie VTS said:
Bayerischer said:
Its a little different. Come back to this thread when you have kids. until then f**k off
Being 20 years old I have decided (unlike it seems the majority of the population) to wait until I am able to provide a decemt life for any kids until I spread my genes. I am shocked that someone as rude and ignorant as you is able to find any one to father children with. tty comments on this topic, which is pretty serious as Pistonheads topics goes, would seem to make you the ignorant one. I wonder too if the OP's got logins mixed up and there are a bunch of posters on Mumsnet struggling with a thread about winter tyres.
Bayerischer said:
Jamie VTS said:
Bayerischer said:
Its a little different. Come back to this thread when you have kids. until then f**k off
Being 20 years old I have decided (unlike it seems the majority of the population) to wait until I am able to provide a decemt life for any kids until I spread my genes. I am shocked that someone as rude and ignorant as you is able to find any one to father children with. tty comments on this topic, which is pretty serious as Pistonheads topics goes, would seem to make you the ignorant one. (Read, unless you have kids, you won't understand how little perspective some parents have)
Bayerischer said:
good for you. I didn't have kids until I was 34. Given that you don't have kids, posting ttty comments on this topic, which is pretty serious as Pistonheads topics goes, would seem to make you the ignorant one.
Read back my comments, none of them were ttty comments on this topic, which is pretty serious as Pistonheads topics goes, would seem to make you the ignorant one. tty. This is a FORUM where lots of differnt people express there views and opinions and not all of them will be the same as yours. I suggest that you listen to your own advice and fk offEdited by Jamie VTS on Tuesday 22 May 16:05
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