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Halb

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18,113 posts

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Nice little article about reliability in cars from 2011 MOTs.
http://www.lovemoney.com/news/cars-computers-and-s...

The UK's 15 most reliable car makes
Manufacturer No. of tests Pass rate
Lexus 5,735 88%
Suzuki 20,548 86%
Honda 71,203 85%
SAAB 12,801 84%
Toyota 89,616 83%
Audi 77,773 83%
smart 5,185 83%
Mercedes-Benz 56,786 83%
Land Rover 30,048 82%
SEAT 22,412 81%
Mazda 41,085 81%
Hyundai 22,072 81%
Volkswagen 140,994 81%
Skoda 30,193 81%
BMW 88,620 81%


Unlucky 13: the least reliable car makes
At the other end of the reliability scale lie these 'unlucky 13' car brands, all of which have average or below-average pass rates for first-time MoT Tests in 2011:
Manufacturer No. of tests Pass rate
Kia 25,875 80%
Nissan 60,967 80%
Ford 267,727 79%
Jaguar 16,125 79%
Mitsubishi 12,224 79%
Vauxhall 266,653 79%
Volvo 26,447 78%
FIAT 48,632 77%
Peugeot 98,345 77%
Chevrolet 14,588 76%
Citroen 76,320 76%
MINI 33,762 76%
Renault 70,821 76%

Based on brands with more than 5,000 MoT Tests in 2011.

SirSamuelOfBuca

1,034 posts

27 months

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my 22 yr old renault is very reliable! I only have to change the HG every other week ;'((((

Benny Saltstein

552 posts

83 months

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I thought smart cars were made in France.

megamaniac

777 posts

86 months

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What a load of bks,they could easily be fails for bulbs out,split wipers etc.Statistics not worth using as bog paper.

Ozone

2,277 posts

57 months

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I'm not a statistician but for double the amount and a 2% drop the Vauxhalls and Fords don't seem too bad compared to VW's spin

(I realise Vauxhall is a swear word on PH)
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S10 GTA

2,660 posts

37 months

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megamaniac said:
What a load of bks,they could easily be fails for bulbs out,split wipers etc.Statistics not worth using as bog paper.
This. The cars down the bottom could be because a higher proportion of them are older and still on the road or are owned by people with less money, and therefore can't afford to do any work to them.



Edited by S10 GTA on Thursday 24th May 15:32

Jamie VTS

565 posts

17 months

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76% - 88% Most of those fails probably have nothing to do with the manufacturer but more the maintenence the owner has carried out.

Caulkhead

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S10 GTA said:
megamaniac said:
What a load of bks,they could easily be fails for bulbs out,split wipers etc.Statistics not worth using as bog paper.
This.
Agreed. Reliability and MOT pass rate are different things. All the french cars might be failing on bald tyres as they're more fun to fling around than Lexi. smile

fido

9,486 posts

125 months

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Caulkhead said:
All the french cars might be failing on bald tyres as they're more fun to fling around than Lexi. smile
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Whilst one might concur with the handling characteristics of French cars, that doesn't explain why they are in the same group as Vauxhalls. smile

doogz

19,304 posts

57 months

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Halb said:
Nice little article about reliability in cars from 2011 MOTs.
http://www.lovemoney.com/news/cars-computers-and-s...

The UK's 15 most reliable car makes
Manufacturer No. of tests Pass rate
Lexus 5,735 88%
Suzuki 20,548 86%
Honda 71,203 85%
SAAB 12,801 84%
Toyota 89,616 83%
Audi 77,773 83%
smart 5,185 83%
Mercedes-Benz 56,786 83%
Land Rover 30,048 82%
SEAT 22,412 81%
Mazda 41,085 81%
Hyundai 22,072 81%
Volkswagen 140,994 81%
Skoda 30,193 81%
BMW 88,620 81%


Unlucky 13: the least reliable car makes
At the other end of the reliability scale lie these 'unlucky 13' car brands, all of which have average or below-average pass rates for first-time MoT Tests in 2011:
Manufacturer No. of tests Pass rate
Kia 25,875 80%
Nissan 60,967 80%
Ford 267,727 79%
Jaguar 16,125 79%
Mitsubishi 12,224 79%
Vauxhall 266,653 79%
Volvo 26,447 78%
FIAT 48,632 77%
Peugeot 98,345 77%
Chevrolet 14,588 76%
Citroen 76,320 76%
MINI 33,762 76%
Renault 70,821 76%

Based on brands with more than 5,000 MoT Tests in 2011.
You realise MINI are German, and Mitsubishi and Nissan are Japanese?

So buy German or Japanese, because they're reliable. Apart from the manufacturers you've listed that aren't...

GroundEffect

7,289 posts

26 months

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Benny Saltstein said:
I thought smart cars were made in France.
It's irrelevant where the car is manufactured. Fords are made in Spain and Germany (for European markets)...


jimbo65

733 posts

68 months

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Caulkhead said:
Agreed. Reliability and MOT pass rate are different things. All the french cars might be failing on bald tyres as they're more fun to fling around than Lexi. smile
I think it is represenatative as they tested almost 1/4 million French cars and to say they
all failed because of bald tyres and bulbs not working could be a touch simplistic.

Oldred_V8S

1,737 posts

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doogz said:
You realise MINI are German, and Mitsubishi and Nissan are Japanese?

So buy German or Japanese, because they're reliable. Apart from the manufacturers you've listed that aren't...
Yes but Nissan made the mistake of getting into bed with Renault. I'm sure their results would have been different had they not. I wouldn't mind betting it is Renault technology/build quality that has dragged them down.

Halb

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18,113 posts

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doogz said:
You realise MINI are German, and Mitsubishi and Nissan are Japanese?

So buy German or Japanese, because they're reliable. Apart from the manufacturers you've listed that aren't...
You realise that I didn't write it?

doogz

19,304 posts

57 months

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What do you propose an MOT says about reliability?

If the car is in for it's MOT, it's a fair assumption to say it hasn't broken down.

Do you class things like worn suspension bushes, discs, pads, as unreliability?

rhinochopig

16,139 posts

68 months

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> 3/4 of all cars pass. That's bloody good IMO given the numpties that own them. I think modern manufacturers can be proud of that figure TBH, given how easy it is to fail on something spurious.

Contrast that with cars made in the 70s.

CypherP

4,198 posts

62 months

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To add to comments already made, a Swedish manufacturer (if you can call them that any longer) is also in the top 4.

900T-R

18,683 posts

127 months

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Have a look at TVR pass rates at www.honestjohn.co.uk. From those I would deduce that TVRs are significantly more reliable than most cars within the same age groups.





















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Me, I'd assume they're being maintained rather than driven from MOT to MOT (and that testers are generally less aware of specific TVR weak areas - i.e. chassis outriggers that rot where you can't see them).

valiant

806 posts

30 months

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Meaningless.

Since when was an MOT a measure of a cars reliability?

You present the tester with a bald tyre and it fails - so that makes the car unreliable, does it?

As a previous poster says - as much use as bogroll.

Halb

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doogz said:
What do you propose an MOT says about reliability?

If the car is in for it's MOT, it's a fair assumption to say it hasn't broken down.

Do you class things like worn suspension bushes, discs, pads, as unreliability?
When I chat to the writer, I'll ask him.
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