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Halb
Original Poster
18,113 posts
53 months
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Nice little article about reliability in cars from 2011 MOTs. http://www.lovemoney.com/news/cars-computers-and-s...The UK's 15 most reliable car makes | Manufacturer | No. of tests | Pass rate | | Lexus | 5,735 | 88% | | Suzuki | 20,548 | 86% | | Honda | 71,203 | 85% | | SAAB | 12,801 | 84% | | Toyota | 89,616 | 83% | | Audi | 77,773 | 83% | | smart | 5,185 | 83% | | Mercedes-Benz | 56,786 | 83% | | Land Rover | 30,048 | 82% | | SEAT | 22,412 | 81% | | Mazda | 41,085 | 81% | | Hyundai | 22,072 | 81% | | Volkswagen | 140,994 | 81% | | Skoda | 30,193 | 81% | | BMW | 88,620 | 81% | Unlucky 13: the least reliable car makesAt the other end of the reliability scale lie these 'unlucky 13' car brands, all of which have average or below-average pass rates for first-time MoT Tests in 2011: | Manufacturer | No. of tests | Pass rate | | Kia | 25,875 | 80% | | Nissan | 60,967 | 80% | | Ford | 267,727 | 79% | | Jaguar | 16,125 | 79% | | Mitsubishi | 12,224 | 79% | | Vauxhall | 266,653 | 79% | | Volvo | 26,447 | 78% | | FIAT | 48,632 | 77% | | Peugeot | 98,345 | 77% | | Chevrolet | 14,588 | 76% | | Citroen | 76,320 | 76% | | MINI | 33,762 | 76% | | Renault | 70,821 | 76% | Based on brands with more than 5,000 MoT Tests in 2011.
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SirSamuelOfBuca
1,034 posts
27 months
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my 22 yr old renault is very reliable! I only have to change the HG every other week ;'((((
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Benny Saltstein
552 posts
83 months
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I thought smart cars were made in France.
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megamaniac
777 posts
86 months
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What a load of b  ks,they could easily be fails for bulbs out,split wipers etc.Statistics not worth using as bog paper.
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Ozone
2,277 posts
57 months
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I'm not a statistician but for double the amount and a 2% drop the Vauxhalls and Fords don't seem too bad compared to VW's  (I realise Vauxhall is a swear word on PH)
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S10 GTA
2,660 posts
37 months
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megamaniac said: What a load of b  ks,they could easily be fails for bulbs out,split wipers etc.Statistics not worth using as bog paper. This. The cars down the bottom could be because a higher proportion of them are older and still on the road or are owned by people with less money, and therefore can't afford to do any work to them.
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Jamie VTS
565 posts
17 months
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76% - 88% Most of those fails probably have nothing to do with the manufacturer but more the maintenence the owner has carried out.
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Caulkhead
4,938 posts
27 months
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S10 GTA said: megamaniac said: What a load of b  ks,they could easily be fails for bulbs out,split wipers etc.Statistics not worth using as bog paper. This. Agreed. Reliability and MOT pass rate are different things. All the french cars might be failing on bald tyres as they're more fun to fling around than Lexi. 
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fido
9,486 posts
125 months
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Caulkhead said: All the french cars might be failing on bald tyres as they're more fun to fling around than Lexi.  # Whilst one might concur with the handling characteristics of French cars, that doesn't explain why they are in the same group as Vauxhalls. 
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doogz
19,304 posts
57 months
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Halb said: Nice little article about reliability in cars from 2011 MOTs. http://www.lovemoney.com/news/cars-computers-and-s...The UK's 15 most reliable car makes | Manufacturer | No. of tests | Pass rate | | Lexus | 5,735 | 88% | | Suzuki | 20,548 | 86% | | Honda | 71,203 | 85% | | SAAB | 12,801 | 84% | | Toyota | 89,616 | 83% | | Audi | 77,773 | 83% | | smart | 5,185 | 83% | | Mercedes-Benz | 56,786 | 83% | | Land Rover | 30,048 | 82% | | SEAT | 22,412 | 81% | | Mazda | 41,085 | 81% | | Hyundai | 22,072 | 81% | | Volkswagen | 140,994 | 81% | | Skoda | 30,193 | 81% | | BMW | 88,620 | 81% | Unlucky 13: the least reliable car makesAt the other end of the reliability scale lie these 'unlucky 13' car brands, all of which have average or below-average pass rates for first-time MoT Tests in 2011: | Manufacturer | No. of tests | Pass rate | | Kia | 25,875 | 80% | | Nissan | 60,967 | 80% | | Ford | 267,727 | 79% | | Jaguar | 16,125 | 79% | | Mitsubishi | 12,224 | 79% | | Vauxhall | 266,653 | 79% | | Volvo | 26,447 | 78% | | FIAT | 48,632 | 77% | | Peugeot | 98,345 | 77% | | Chevrolet | 14,588 | 76% | | Citroen | 76,320 | 76% | | MINI | 33,762 | 76% | | Renault | 70,821 | 76% | Based on brands with more than 5,000 MoT Tests in 2011.You realise MINI are German, and Mitsubishi and Nissan are Japanese? So buy German or Japanese, because they're reliable. Apart from the manufacturers you've listed that aren't...
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GroundEffect
7,289 posts
26 months
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Benny Saltstein said: I thought smart cars were made in France. It's irrelevant where the car is manufactured. Fords are made in Spain and Germany (for European markets)...
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jimbo65
733 posts
68 months
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Caulkhead said: Agreed. Reliability and MOT pass rate are different things. All the french cars might be failing on bald tyres as they're more fun to fling around than Lexi.  I think it is represenatative as they tested almost 1/4 million French cars and to say they all failed because of bald tyres and bulbs not working could be a touch simplistic.
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Oldred_V8S
1,737 posts
108 months
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doogz said: You realise MINI are German, and Mitsubishi and Nissan are Japanese?
So buy German or Japanese, because they're reliable. Apart from the manufacturers you've listed that aren't... Yes but Nissan made the mistake of getting into bed with Renault. I'm sure their results would have been different had they not. I wouldn't mind betting it is Renault technology/build quality that has dragged them down.
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Halb
Original Poster
18,113 posts
53 months
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doogz said: You realise MINI are German, and Mitsubishi and Nissan are Japanese?
So buy German or Japanese, because they're reliable. Apart from the manufacturers you've listed that aren't... You realise that I didn't write it?
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doogz
19,304 posts
57 months
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What do you propose an MOT says about reliability?
If the car is in for it's MOT, it's a fair assumption to say it hasn't broken down.
Do you class things like worn suspension bushes, discs, pads, as unreliability?
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rhinochopig
16,139 posts
68 months
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> 3/4 of all cars pass. That's bloody good IMO given the numpties that own them. I think modern manufacturers can be proud of that figure TBH, given how easy it is to fail on something spurious.
Contrast that with cars made in the 70s.
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CypherP
4,198 posts
62 months
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To add to comments already made, a Swedish manufacturer (if you can call them that any longer) is also in the top 4.
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900T-R
18,683 posts
127 months
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Have a look at TVR pass rates at www.honestjohn.co.uk. From those I would deduce that TVRs are significantly more reliable than most cars within the same age groups. [badoom-tish] Me, I'd assume they're being maintained rather than driven from MOT to MOT (and that testers are generally less aware of specific TVR weak areas - i.e. chassis outriggers that rot where you can't see them).
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valiant
806 posts
30 months
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Meaningless.
Since when was an MOT a measure of a cars reliability?
You present the tester with a bald tyre and it fails - so that makes the car unreliable, does it?
As a previous poster says - as much use as bogroll.
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Halb
Original Poster
18,113 posts
53 months
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doogz said: What do you propose an MOT says about reliability?
If the car is in for it's MOT, it's a fair assumption to say it hasn't broken down.
Do you class things like worn suspension bushes, discs, pads, as unreliability? When I chat to the writer, I'll ask him.
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