headlights during the daytime
Discussion
blank said:
You noticed them.
That's the point. Makes the car more visible. Doesn't do any harm IMO.
I often do it myself, especially in cars where the headlamps turn off with the ignition. Just leave them 'on' all the time and forget about them.
bThat's the point. Makes the car more visible. Doesn't do any harm IMO.
I often do it myself, especially in cars where the headlamps turn off with the ignition. Just leave them 'on' all the time and forget about them.
ks. If you can't see a car in the daytime in beautiful weather like this get off the bloody road. MTFU!!!Fleckers said:
OK to answer a few questions.
I call them main beam, not side lights or full beam, I do know the difference
yes I do see cars with their lights on, BUT it does not mean that I crash in to cars that dont have their lights on
the time of day I have been taking about is not early morning, or late evening, this weekend I have been driving from about 10am until about 4pm, no way was the sun low, bad light or anything else.
as I said I sort of get DRL's i get bikes wiht their lights on, but some of the cars I have seen have been 8 - 10+ years old so they dont have built DRL's so I am assuming people are turning their lights on.
Why does it annoy me, we I learnt to drive a long time ago and back then there was certain times of day when you had to turn your lights on it was between dark and dawn
this ooooooooh look I have lights on so I can be seen it rubbish, if you feel that bad about the need ot be seen in case someone has not seen you you have the option to flash your lights and use your horn but I guess you are too busy doing getting your high viz jacket on and wearing a crash helmet just in case someone get a bit close.
maybe its just me, but I dont want to drive with my lights on thinking I am in mortal danger
So, still waiting for a decent reason rather than an incoherent, spittle flecked rant. I call them main beam, not side lights or full beam, I do know the difference
yes I do see cars with their lights on, BUT it does not mean that I crash in to cars that dont have their lights on
the time of day I have been taking about is not early morning, or late evening, this weekend I have been driving from about 10am until about 4pm, no way was the sun low, bad light or anything else.
as I said I sort of get DRL's i get bikes wiht their lights on, but some of the cars I have seen have been 8 - 10+ years old so they dont have built DRL's so I am assuming people are turning their lights on.
Why does it annoy me, we I learnt to drive a long time ago and back then there was certain times of day when you had to turn your lights on it was between dark and dawn
this ooooooooh look I have lights on so I can be seen it rubbish, if you feel that bad about the need ot be seen in case someone has not seen you you have the option to flash your lights and use your horn but I guess you are too busy doing getting your high viz jacket on and wearing a crash helmet just in case someone get a bit close.
maybe its just me, but I dont want to drive with my lights on thinking I am in mortal danger
Fleckers said:
as I said I sort of get DRLs I get bikes with their lights on, but some of the cars I have seen have been 8 - 10+ years old so they don't have built DRLs so I am assuming people are turning their lights on.
So if you have no DRLs on your car, why not use your headlights?Fleckers said:
this 'Ooooooooh look, I have lights on so I can be seen' is rubbish, if you feel that bad about the need to be seen in case someone has not seen you you have the option to flash your lights and use your horn but I guess you are too busy doing getting your high viz jacket on and wearing a crash helmet just in case someone get a bit close.
maybe its just me, but I don't want to drive with my lights on thinking I am in mortal danger
So you don't 'sort of get DRLs' at all do you?maybe its just me, but I don't want to drive with my lights on thinking I am in mortal danger
DRLs were fitted because some people discovered that driving with lights on all the time was a good idea. Riding a motorbike with lights on made them a bit more noticeable, Volvos with permanent lights on were more noticeable too.
What they have actually done is fill the roads with lights and diminished the effect of those riders (and drivers) who chose to stand out by switching their lights on.
I still drive with my lights on (in my small, silver-grey car) - on the days when I forget, I get reminded by people pulling out of side roads in front of me. Hardly a scientific study, but that's what I find.
To those of you who 'always drive with the lights on' and 'especially when the sun is behind me' take time to read and consider this http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-illuminatio... I'm not trying to change your minds, but there's no harm in considering all aspects of the issue at hand.
Interestingly the allies used aeroplanes lit up with powerful lamps to help them sneak up on U-boats!
Can't remember where I read it, but the way the human eye responds to light means that if all it sees is a bright light, it cannot workout the speed of approach accurately. I seem to remember the study concluded that at approach speeds of up to about 30 mph the approaching objects speed was overestimated (so people wouldn't pull out in front of you!) but at anything over about 32mph there was a significant switch to underestimation (so cars would pull out in front of you). I'm not going to re-hash an old argument. Just thought it was worth considering those points as they are perhaps slightly counter intuitive.
Interestingly the allies used aeroplanes lit up with powerful lamps to help them sneak up on U-boats!
Can't remember where I read it, but the way the human eye responds to light means that if all it sees is a bright light, it cannot workout the speed of approach accurately. I seem to remember the study concluded that at approach speeds of up to about 30 mph the approaching objects speed was overestimated (so people wouldn't pull out in front of you!) but at anything over about 32mph there was a significant switch to underestimation (so cars would pull out in front of you). I'm not going to re-hash an old argument. Just thought it was worth considering those points as they are perhaps slightly counter intuitive.
Most Bmw's and Minis post 09 have a feature where you can leave the headlights on all the time and when you unlock the car the sidelights come on (to help you find it I guess). So it may be people just being lazy?!
On my 56 plate 5 series the 'auto' headlights literally just turn them on from the min you start driving, completely useless feature...
On my 56 plate 5 series the 'auto' headlights literally just turn them on from the min you start driving, completely useless feature...
Wafflesmk2 said:
I put mine on yesterday afternoon. Why?
Well, the sun was about 3 inches from the floor and was brighter than holding your face against a nuke as it goes off.
I had the sun behind me so was coming at other motorists out of the sun (narrrrrrr dagga dagga dagga) and thought it might be a little easier for them to see me if the lights were on.
That's when I use mine.Well, the sun was about 3 inches from the floor and was brighter than holding your face against a nuke as it goes off.
I had the sun behind me so was coming at other motorists out of the sun (narrrrrrr dagga dagga dagga) and thought it might be a little easier for them to see me if the lights were on.
I also use them on motorways & DCs as it reduces the amount of people who pull out in front of me.
I can't help thinking that if you're visible why do you need to be more visible. When everyone has their lights on everyone will be more visible & no one will be just visible, then what? Maybe yellow flashing beacons so everyone will be extra more visible rather than just more visible. When everyone has flashing yellow beacons & are extra more visible then what, where does it all end?
smartphone hater said:
I can't help thinking that if you're visible why do you need to be more visible. When everyone has their lights on everyone will be more visible & no one will be just visible, then what? Maybe yellow flashing beacons so everyone will be extra more visible rather than just more visible. When everyone has flashing yellow beacons & are extra more visible then what, where does it all end?
I think you are missing the point - its not a competition to see who stands out the most but making sure that you as an individual are as visible as possible. Some of the arguments on here are laughable - having your lights doesn't mean you can see better as someone pointed out but makes the vast amount of brain dead idiots that we share the roads with hopefully see you rather than do something stupid that could cause an accident.
Herbs said:
I think you are missing the point - its not a competition to see who stands out the most but making sure that you as an individual are as visible as possible.
I know 
but I liken this topic to the ten builders on a building site, if one is wearing a high vis jacket he'll stand out. If all ten are wearing high vis jackets then there's ten builders on a building site.If I'm doing a long trip or heading on a motorway or major dual carriageway I always turn my lights on no matter what I'm driving or how fast I plan to go.
I'd like to think it makes me a bit more visible to others, and it just makes me feel a bit happier, it also means that when visibility drops I don't look like one of those numpties who forgets to put his lights on.
I'd like to think it makes me a bit more visible to others, and it just makes me feel a bit happier, it also means that when visibility drops I don't look like one of those numpties who forgets to put his lights on.
GTIR said:
Al this means is it'll become normal and as a result bikers won't be seen and motorcycle - car accidents will rise.
Mark my words.
Mark my words.
Agree with this actually. It works when few do it, not when it's the 'norm'.It's irritating as I do it and have done for some time now. Just peace of mind that I'm as visible as can be.
vit4 said:
GTIR said:
Al this means is it'll become normal and as a result bikers won't be seen and motorcycle - car accidents will rise.
Mark my words.
Mark my words.
Agree with this actually. It works when few do it, not when it's the 'norm'.It's irritating as I do it and have done for some time now. Just peace of mind that I'm as visible as can be.
In which instance do you think would the light of a motorcycle become invisible due to cars having their lights on as well?
blank said:
You noticed them.
That's the point. Makes the car more visible. Doesn't do any harm IMO.
I often do it myself, especially in cars where the headlamps turn off with the ignition. Just leave them 'on' all the time and forget about them.
Yup.That's the point. Makes the car more visible. Doesn't do any harm IMO.
I often do it myself, especially in cars where the headlamps turn off with the ignition. Just leave them 'on' all the time and forget about them.
I used to drive with my xenons on all the time, just left them set to 'on' all the time. After 100,000 miles of driving with them on though, the bulbs turned to s
t and needed replacing. Now I have auto headlights so they stay on auto and come on whenever they want to.
smartphone hater said:
I know but I liken this topic to the ten builders on a building site, if one is wearing a high vis jacket he'll stand out. If all ten are wearing high vis jackets then there's ten builders on a building site.
Eh? They are all visible. It's not a case of being more visible than the other vehicles or the background (or builders). It's being more visible than you would be without lights (or a hi-vis). It is simply a fact that you will see and process the presence of a light faster than you will an unlit car. The fact that someone comes on here at least once a week to complain about DRLs is all the proof you need that they increase the visibility of cars with them. but I liken this topic to the ten builders on a building site, if one is wearing a high vis jacket he'll stand out. If all ten are wearing high vis jackets then there's ten builders on a building site.This site should keep you all happy
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