RE: Aggressive pricing for new Ford Focus ST
Discussion
ezi said:
anything fast said:
FYI
this will not come in 3 doors!!
shame, they will lose quite a few buyers for it
Quite (Although a Ford salesman tried telling me a 3door was in the works). As much as I like Ford's ST range, no 3-door option will put me right off the new Focus, although with the new Fiesta being such a large(ish) car, maybe people going from the old Focus will go into the new Fiesta if they desire 3door?this will not come in 3 doors!!
shame, they will lose quite a few buyers for it
I want to hear of a new Mondeo ST
Really not a fan of this new ST, or the new Focus in general. Although having said that, they have grown on me (slightly), at least the front profile on some of the Titanium models in the dark/gunmetal grey. Rear still looks pig ugly though. Problem for me is, the old STs (mk1 and 2/2.5) had a fairly restrained look about them, sporty, without looking tacky. This new one however seems to have gone OTT with stick-on tat, vents etc. old Astra VXR style. Even Vauxhall have distanced themself from that with the new Astra VXR which actually looks pretty classy for a hot hatch IMO. I honestly wouldn't consider spending £22-25k+ on one of these.
But if you can get an ST1 for say £19k after haggling/discounts, I think it could actually be a decent proposition. At the end of the day, it's a Ford, so leather seats, rain-sensing wipers, bi-xenon lights etc. really shouldn't be that big a deal. Buy soemthing else if you want a refined comfortable mile-eater with all the toys. It doesn't lose anything to the higher-spec cars in terms of mechanical features. Obviously the higher-spec models will hold their value better, but if you're talking £3-4k difference at the forecourt, I'd say it will even out at worst. I expect this car will trail well behind the Astra and Megane in the group tests where the empahsis is on tracks and such like. But as an everyday b-road/motorway cruiser for someone who isn't going to push the car at 9/10ths everywhere, it could make the most sense; cheapest, probably most forgiving to drive, while still offering plenty of performance.
But if you can get an ST1 for say £19k after haggling/discounts, I think it could actually be a decent proposition. At the end of the day, it's a Ford, so leather seats, rain-sensing wipers, bi-xenon lights etc. really shouldn't be that big a deal. Buy soemthing else if you want a refined comfortable mile-eater with all the toys. It doesn't lose anything to the higher-spec cars in terms of mechanical features. Obviously the higher-spec models will hold their value better, but if you're talking £3-4k difference at the forecourt, I'd say it will even out at worst. I expect this car will trail well behind the Astra and Megane in the group tests where the empahsis is on tracks and such like. But as an everyday b-road/motorway cruiser for someone who isn't going to push the car at 9/10ths everywhere, it could make the most sense; cheapest, probably most forgiving to drive, while still offering plenty of performance.
anything fast said:
The 3 door will be saved for the RS, But a new RS will be an RS by name but not like an RS we know.. its going to be hybrid...
Where'd you get that from? As far as I can find, the only electric Focus is a normal-looking model coming here later in the year 
http://www.worldcarfans.com/110120229861/ford-squa...
Word was that no 3-door is due because of poor demand - presumably that means no US demand, what with it being a global car and all.
Even the Fiesta ST is meant to be 5-door only in the US
Wattsie said:
MonkeyMatt said:
Does no 3dr mean that some sort of coupe is in the works?
Stabbing a guess; it'd step on the Mustangs toes so Ford might be unwilling to risk that.VW don't even sell the Scirocco in the US, so they presumably don't see the need to provide a rival to it.
300bhp/ton said:
M@1975 said:
Agreed, "small" cars fetching big car money is just ridiculous at the moment.
But they aren't small cars anymore. Not so sure on the MK3, but the MK2 Focus was almost as big as a Sierra.300bhp/ton said:
I think the Mustang is pretty safe, being rwd and packing 412hp. No fwd Focus coupe would be a real rival. Ford happily sold the Probe and I think the Cougar in the US along side the Mustang.
You're most likely right about that, but the bottom line for Ford will be investment vs payoff.Bearing in mind that the Cougar and Probe weren't successes in Europe, I very much doubt they want to risk a repeat of that. Since the US market is seemingly less interested in the 3 Door hatch (the lack of a 3 door Fiesta being a clue here) and Ford tried the 3 door Focus with the Mk1 ZX3, so I have to assume the global appeal doesn't warrant its introduction.
I much prefer the 3 door of the sports models, but 2 sport models won't pay off the development of a new bodystyle which will be largely dormant throughout the rest of the range.
The optimist in me is hopeful that they don't want it to tread on the toes of the next Mustang, which I hope/expect will come to the EU as a Ford global coupe.
Wattsie said:
Stabbing a guess; it'd step on the Mustangs toes so Ford might be unwilling to risk that.
VW don't even sell the Scirocco in the US, so they presumably don't see the need to provide a rival to it.
Can't see the Mustang having anything to do with it. VW don't even sell the Scirocco in the US, so they presumably don't see the need to provide a rival to it.
Does nobody remember the Capri rumours / renderings? I think this will be the 3 door.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2012-ford-capri-...
Edit: I can see some good lease deals coming up. Convenient timing for me.
Edited by craigb84 on Monday 28th May 15:28
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