RE: Airbag poisons driver
Discussion
nsa said:
I didn't realise this site had turned into the Daily Mail. I'm sure I read that this is the only recorded death like this in the UK.
Tbh, even one death is one too many.It cant be that hard to find an alternate substance can it...
I suspect that cost is more significant than the price of a life here. Still, i hope the widow sues.
what a crock of s
t - when the ignitor goes off, the nitrogen produced passes through filters to stop the un-reacted sodium azide coming with it, the only thing that comes out of the ignitor tube is nitrogen - it matters not one jot that the bag was punctured, as has been said - they are designed to start deflating before you hit them anyway!!
Unless there was something seriously faulty with that specific ignitor he inhaled talc and this "possibly" was "slightly" related to his lung problems 2 months later.
Maybe he had some other pre-existing problem he was un-aware of?
t - when the ignitor goes off, the nitrogen produced passes through filters to stop the un-reacted sodium azide coming with it, the only thing that comes out of the ignitor tube is nitrogen - it matters not one jot that the bag was punctured, as has been said - they are designed to start deflating before you hit them anyway!!Unless there was something seriously faulty with that specific ignitor he inhaled talc and this "possibly" was "slightly" related to his lung problems 2 months later.
Maybe he had some other pre-existing problem he was un-aware of?
Derp said:
nsa said:
I didn't realise this site had turned into the Daily Mail. I'm sure I read that this is the only recorded death like this in the UK.
Tbh, even one death is one too many.It cant be that hard to find an alternate substance can it...
I suspect that cost is more significant than the price of a life here. Still, i hope the widow sues.
idiot.
filski666 said:
Derp said:
nsa said:
I didn't realise this site had turned into the Daily Mail. I'm sure I read that this is the only recorded death like this in the UK.
Tbh, even one death is one too many.It cant be that hard to find an alternate substance can it...
I suspect that cost is more significant than the price of a life here. Still, i hope the widow sues.
idiot.
Who the heck on PH is responsible for checking the accuracy and legitimacy of stories these days??
I don't know where to start with the number of errors and misconceptions present in this story!
Besides the plain stupid stuff like "the air bag being punctured by the window" (no, they are full of holes so they deflate immediately after doing their job so they don't impede further control or access) and "clouds of toxic dust" (that'll be the packing anti-stick talc) etc etc for all we know he could have die from injuries in the accident immediately if their had been no airbag, so actually the air bag saved his life for 2 months!!!
I don't know where to start with the number of errors and misconceptions present in this story!
Besides the plain stupid stuff like "the air bag being punctured by the window" (no, they are full of holes so they deflate immediately after doing their job so they don't impede further control or access) and "clouds of toxic dust" (that'll be the packing anti-stick talc) etc etc for all we know he could have die from injuries in the accident immediately if their had been no airbag, so actually the air bag saved his life for 2 months!!!
filski666 said:
what a crock of st - when the ignitor goes off, the nitrogen produced passes through filters to stop the un-reacted sodium azide coming with it, the only thing that comes out of the ignitor tube is nitrogen - it matters not one jot that the bag was punctured, as has been said - they are designed to start deflating before you hit them anyway!!
Unless there was something seriously faulty with that specific ignitor he inhaled talc and this "possibly" was "slightly" related to his lung problems 2 months later.
Maybe he had some other pre-existing problem he was un-aware of?
Engineer - underlying Asbestosis? Could it take that long to manifest?t - when the ignitor goes off, the nitrogen produced passes through filters to stop the un-reacted sodium azide coming with it, the only thing that comes out of the ignitor tube is nitrogen - it matters not one jot that the bag was punctured, as has been said - they are designed to start deflating before you hit them anyway!!Unless there was something seriously faulty with that specific ignitor he inhaled talc and this "possibly" was "slightly" related to his lung problems 2 months later.
Maybe he had some other pre-existing problem he was un-aware of?
Max_Torque said:
Who the heck on PH is responsible for checking the accuracy and legitimacy of stories these days??
I don't know where to start with the number of errors and misconceptions present in this story!
Besides the plain stupid stuff like "the air bag being punctured by the window" (no, they are full of holes so they deflate immediately after doing their job so they don't impede further control or access) and "clouds of toxic dust" (that'll be the packing anti-stick talc) etc etc for all we know he could have die from injuries in the accident immediately if their had been no airbag, so actually the air bag saved his life for 2 months!!!
I can't see how a broken car window could puncture anything anyway - they aren't made of plate glass which smashes into razor sharp shards - they are made of toughened safey glass which smashes into pretty harmless chunks. I was in a car accident where I smashed the side window with my head, the glass broke, I was covered in bits, bit of bruising but no cuts.I don't know where to start with the number of errors and misconceptions present in this story!
Besides the plain stupid stuff like "the air bag being punctured by the window" (no, they are full of holes so they deflate immediately after doing their job so they don't impede further control or access) and "clouds of toxic dust" (that'll be the packing anti-stick talc) etc etc for all we know he could have die from injuries in the accident immediately if their had been no airbag, so actually the air bag saved his life for 2 months!!!
as I said..this story is a crock of s
t.
filski666 said:
Unless there was something seriously faulty with that specific ignitor he inhaled talc and this "possibly" was "slightly" related to his lung problems 2 months later.
Google 'talc aspiration pneumonia'
RevoHJC said:
How do you know he would have died without the airbag?
I don't, I was making a rash assumption in order to strengthen my point for which I apologise, but I feel it is less of a piece of misinformation than this whole article to be honest, as at least it is a possibility he could have died.....Article said:
The cause of death was bronchial pneumonia, with the forensic pathologist saying his lungs showed signs of infection.
Right... So would the author please enlighten us as to what relevance the above had to the article?He died of an infection to his lungs. I.e. Microbial infestation, if there's a tenuous link to the chemicals contained within the airbags then perhaps this mechanism could be explained?
Do the the Daily Mail writers also work for Pistonheads now?
ETA:
If PH wants links from cars to respiratory toxicity why not google "DEP" (nano sized diesel particulate), it's not able to be completely filtered and exacerbates allergies. It's also believed to contribute to the high prevalence of allergy sufferers as it biases the Th response in children... To be blunt it's nasty s
t. It's also real news that most people aren't aware of. Edited by Prof Prolapse on Wednesday 30th May 13:13
Prof Prolapse said:
Right... So would the author please enlighten us as to what relevance the above had to the article?
He died of an infection to his lungs. I.e. Microbial infestation, if there's a tenuous link to the chemicals contained within the airbags then perhaps this mechanism could be explained?
Do the the Daily Mail writers also work for Pistonheads now?
ETA:
If PH wants links from cars to respiratory toxicity why not google "DEP" (nano sized diesel particulate), it's not able to be completely filtered and exacerbates allergies. It's also believed to contribute to the high prevalence of allergy sufferers as it biases the Th response in children... To be blunt it's nasty st. It's also real news that most people aren't aware of.
here is how sodium azide affects you:He died of an infection to his lungs. I.e. Microbial infestation, if there's a tenuous link to the chemicals contained within the airbags then perhaps this mechanism could be explained?
Do the the Daily Mail writers also work for Pistonheads now?
ETA:
If PH wants links from cars to respiratory toxicity why not google "DEP" (nano sized diesel particulate), it's not able to be completely filtered and exacerbates allergies. It's also believed to contribute to the high prevalence of allergy sufferers as it biases the Th response in children... To be blunt it's nasty s
t. It's also real news that most people aren't aware of. Edited by Prof Prolapse on Wednesday 30th May 13:13
Sodium azide, used mainly as a preservative in aqueous laboratory reagents and biologic fluids and as a fuel in automobile airbag gas generants, has caused deaths for decades. Its exposure potential for the general population increases as the use of airbags increase. In order to characterize the known health effects of sodium azide in humans and the circumstances of their exposure, the authors conducted a systematic review of the literature from 1927 to 2002 on human exposure to sodium azide and its health effects. The most commonly reported health effect from azide exposure is hypotension, almost independent of route of exposure. Most industrial exposures are by inhalation. Most laboratory exposures or suicide attempts are by ingestion. Most of the reported cases involved persons working in laboratories. The time between exposure and detection of hypotension can predict outcome. Fatal doses occur with exposures of >or=700 mg (10 mg/kg). Nonlethal doses ranged from 0.3 to 150 mg (0.004 to 2 mg/kg). Onset of hypotension within minutes or in less than an hour is indicative of a pharmacological response and a benign course. Hypotension with late onset (>1 hour) constitutes an ominous sign for death. All individuals with hypotension for more than an hour died. Additional health effects included mild complaints of nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, dizziness, temporary loss of vision, palpitation, dyspnea, or temporary loss of consciousness or mental status decrease. More severe symptoms and signs included marked decreased mental status, seizure, coma, arrhythmia, tachypnea, pulmonary edema, metabolic acidosis, and cardiorespiratory arrest. The signs and symptoms from lower exposures (<700 mg) are physiological responses at the vascular level and those at or above are toxicological responses at the metabolic level. There is no specific antidote for sodium azide intoxication. Recommended preventive measures for sodium azide exposure consist of education of people at high risk, such as laboratory workers, regarding its chemical properties and toxicity, better labeling of products containing sodium azide, and strict enforcement of laboratory regulations and access control.
from here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12851150
so high doses give you hypotension (low blood pressure) leading to death, low doses affect your vascular system.......I don't see the link to a respiratory condition?
Derp said:
nsa said:
I didn't realise this site had turned into the Daily Mail. I'm sure I read that this is the only recorded death like this in the UK.
Tbh, even one death is one too many.It cant be that hard to find an alternate substance can it...
I suspect that cost is more significant than the price of a life here. Still, i hope the widow sues.
Prof Prolapse said:
Article said:
The cause of death was bronchial pneumonia, with the forensic pathologist saying his lungs showed signs of infection.
Right... So would the author please enlighten us as to what relevance the above had to the article?He died of an infection to his lungs. I.e. Microbial infestation, if there's a tenuous link to the chemicals contained within the airbags then perhaps this mechanism could be explained?
Do the the Daily Mail writers also work for Pistonheads now?
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Question for the coroner I think! (he was the one blaming the airbag). I can answer the Daily Mail question. I don't write for them.
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