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CHIEF

1,937 posts

151 months

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ukkid35 said:
A quick scan through this thread and no one seems to have suggested a Smart ForTwo. You'd probably have to ignore RHD versions to be within your price range, but it has to be the best entry in to rear wheel drive, and that means Fun!

It seems to tick all the other boxes too, as well as being plastic bodied (so less corrosion to worry about), highly customisable (if that's your thing), and of course tunable too.

Check out Evilution, Smartz and OnSmart to see what a great online community there is for these cars too.
If you can get a decent Smart for less
than a grand as per the op request then where do I sign smile

WetPaint

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962 posts

50 months

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The bottom end of the market is £1500, so its a little too much.

I like the out of the box thinking though.

ukkid35

1,597 posts

42 months

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I sold my 2000 ForTwo Passion two years ago for just under £1400, it was in very good condition too, although I admit I'm not very good a selling cars. The Passion is the high end version, you should be able to get a Pure which is the base model for £200 less, and if you go for an earlier year you could get very close to your £1k budget.

Mr2Mike

9,483 posts

124 months

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The Smart is nowhere near as robust as a Micra, especially the older 600cc engines which have a tendency to expire around 60k miles.

ukkid35

1,597 posts

42 months

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Mr2Mike said:
The Smart is nowhere near as robust as a Micra, especially the older 600cc engines which have a tendency to expire around 60k miles.
You are absolutely correct, which is why it would be best to avoid cars that have not had a rebuild.

However if you are handy with spanners then you can replace the valves, rings and bearings in a long weekend, plus an evening or two. That means you can buy in at well below a grand. That's how I was able to afford mine.

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CooperS

2,848 posts

88 months

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ukkid35 said:
You are absolutely correct, which is why it would be best to avoid cars that have not had a rebuild.

However if you are handy with spanners then you can replace the valves, rings and bearings in a long weekend, plus an evening or two. That means you can buy in at well below a grand. That's how I was able to afford mine.
You'll also want to check the turbo/ exhaust manifold all one peice so crack after a while, also exhaust isn't all that robust being made out of thin tin.....

alphahotelbravo

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76 months

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+1 for the Ka, great fun but mind the rust.

Was made redundant in the early 90s and lost the company Vauxhall Belmont (Astra with a boot, horrible thing), so I needed cash-free and maintenance-free transport and had three squareback Polos on the trot.

First two were 1100cc four-speed, not things of joy but they just kept running, each went to the back-street trade at 116K and 111K miles when general paint rot and noisy driveshafts and UJs indicated imminent expenditure. (Living in a flat, and the rented lockup had gone with redundancy so DIY not really an option).

Bought a 1300cc five-speed Polo after that, noticeably quicker and easier on the 100-mile round trips twice a week in the temporary job at that time.

Got fed up with that and started my own business, traded Polo No3 at 85K miles for a Ka, like a go-kart compared to the Polos. Gutless but handled, just like my old '75 1000cc Mini, so once it was wound up you could keep it there. Needed to plan ahead about three miles to overtake - mine was 60bhp, more recent were 70bhp IIRC and might be a bit easier.

The Ka rotted in some funny places - the sump needed replaced for an MoT one time and it was bubbling hard around the filler cap when I traded it on.

Re Ka appearance - mine had body-colour bumpers and 14" alloys, a whole lot better than the grey nappy look IMHO.

Sorry, can't remember the costs now, the first 1100cc Polo was bought nearly 20 years ago anyway, but those four wee cars did me for about 15 years till funds improved.

AHB

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6,377 posts

65 months

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ukkid35 said:
Mr2Mike said:
The Smart is nowhere near as robust as a Micra, especially the older 600cc engines which have a tendency to expire around 60k miles.
You are absolutely correct, which is why it would be best to avoid cars that have not had a rebuild.

However if you are handy with spanners then you can replace the valves, rings and bearings in a long weekend, plus an evening or two. That means you can buy in at well below a grand. That's how I was able to afford mine.
I think this is missing the point somewhat. If you are handy with spanners you could get an E36 for less than a grand. With a Micra you don't need to be good with spanners. It is cheap, reliable, pain-free motoring as standard. Much of its charm is derived from how much abuse it can take.

We've owned several Micras as well as several of its predecessors going back to the 100A. It is fun cheap basic motoring.


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6,377 posts

65 months

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3 things I found about the Ka

Its 2 door so nowhere near as practical.
The Micra engines (both 1.0 and 1.3) were far more eager to rev and less prone to oil leaks.
Nobody (apart from PHers) cares about handling. So that's 95% of my family.

Egbert Nobacon

2,765 posts

112 months

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TameRacingDriver said:
james_gt3rs said:
The fat wheel means it has an airbag. As far as I know if it has an airbag it also has power steering. I wouldn't get hung up on if it has PAS or not, as the steering won't be that heavy, and I doubt it would transform into Elise like steering with no PAS! Having said that I haven't driven one without PAS so I could be wrong...
You'd be surprised just how focused these little cars are with no toys. The amount of feel through the steering isn't quite up there with an Elise, but by god the amount of feel you get is incredible. As is the handling due to its 800 kg kerb weight.tongue out
They often come with ditchfinder tyres at this age. Putting a decent set on (suprisingly cheap - they're the same width as pram wheels smile ) makes a huge difference.

ukkid35

1,597 posts

42 months

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CHIEF said:
If you can get a decent Smart for less
than a grand as per the op request then where do I sign smile
This one could end up going for under a grand... eBay 130709125179 - no affiliation.

ukkid35

1,597 posts

42 months

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And it sold for £900

Not seen it, no idea what it's like. But it is a sub £1k Smart runaround.

S3_Graham

10,694 posts

68 months

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ambuletz said:
As someone else said on here, they are the cockroaches of the car world.

I would love a white one with the normal uncoloured bumpers (I actually don't like the colour coded bumpers for some reason). on black steelies. Totally utilitarian motoring.

Like this


God I'm well weird!

Edited by ambuletz on Monday 4th June 00:28
I turned down a W reg one of those for £50. I genuinely regret it. Would of been ideal but I bought a £350 Ka instead. Was fun in an 'I don't care' kind of way. Was doing 120 mile commute at the time though....

0000

9,323 posts

60 months

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Is there a worse runaround?

magpie215

1,909 posts

58 months

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0000 said:
Is there a worse runaround?
plenty :-)

WetPaint

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962 posts

50 months

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ukkid35 said:
And it sold for £900

Not seen it, no idea what it's like. But it is a sub £1k Smart runaround.
Fair.





sday12

4,194 posts

80 months

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Ugly
Granny Image
Asmatic
Slow
Appalling handling
Wallowy
Noisy
Appeal to people with no knowledge of cars.


Hateful cars.

WetPaint

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962 posts

50 months

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Many people on this thread would disagree.

Im still getting one smile

fluffnik

17,401 posts

96 months

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sday12 said:
Ugly
Perhaps, and the facelift did it few favours.

Cute in some colours.

sday12 said:
Granny Image
True.

sday12 said:
Asmatic
roflroflrofl

If there's one thing that that peppy little motor is not it has to be asthmatic.

sday12 said:
Slow
It's a 1.0/1.3l shopping trolly, those are all slow.

The 1.0 CVT auto will maintain 80-85mph up hill and down dale all day long.

sday12 said:
Appalling handling
Havers!

There's a bit of understeer but they're predictable and reasonably adjustable provided you keep the tyres blown up.

sday12 said:
Wallowy
The damping is indeed marginal.

sday12 said:
Noisy
For its class, not especially.

sday12 said:
Appeal to people with no knowledge of cars.
They also appeal to those who see past the image to the finely engineered package underneath.

sday12 said:
Hateful cars.
Nonsense.

The K11 Micra is a superb piece of utilitarian engineering.

Funkycoldribena

416 posts

23 months

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But they look like a Brontasaurus' head...
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