RE: Isle of Man TT with Mark Higgins
Discussion
Mr2Mike said:
Massively? Care to explain how an British biker just managed a 7:10 at the Nurburgring on a 7 year old Yamaha R1? Very few cars are significantly quicker, with the exception of some LMPs.
Bridge to gantry lap. It's also far from a standard R1 (I think - correct me if I'm wrong). That is faster than quite a lot of road cars - it's on a par with a GT2 RS or a track pack Nissan GTR. It's not in the same league as proper racing cars though. Accounting for the track difference, it's about 20 seconds faster than an early 80's Formula Ford. That's a very basic space frame car with skinny tyres, no down-force and running a 1.6 litre Kent engine.The outright car record, even over a longer lap, is a full minute quicker.
Life Saab Itch said:
How much is a TT bike though.
I think we could do a reasonable comparison on price.
A superstock bike is probably somewhere around £15K-£20K. They lap at about 128mph I think.I think we could do a reasonable comparison on price.
I love both bikes and cars ... I am pleased that the car only people are jumping straight to F1 cars and radicals sr8s, etc to beat the bikes. That tells you all you need to know.
Edited by DSE on Tuesday 12th June 10:21
DSE said:
A superstock bike is probably somewhere around £15K-£20K. They lap at about 128mph I think.
I love both bikes and cars ... I am pleased that the car only people are jumping straight to F1 cars and radicals sr8s, etc to beat the bikes. That tells you all you need to know.
F1 cars are a logical choice when talking about what's ultimately fastest. If it's just about beating the bike time, looking at times elsewhere, something like a Formula Jedi with a bit more power would be adequate I think. Probably not that far off in cost either.I love both bikes and cars ... I am pleased that the car only people are jumping straight to F1 cars and radicals sr8s, etc to beat the bikes. That tells you all you need to know.
Edited by DSE on Tuesday 12th June 10:21
hairykrishna said:
F1 cars are a logical choice when talking about what's ultimately fastest. If it's just about beating the bike time, looking at times elsewhere, something like a Formula Jedi with a bit more power would be adequate I think. Probably not that far off in cost either.
I really hope one day this is attempted because, lets face it, until that happens we arent going to have a definative answer.....Two VERY different views on it
http://petrolblog.com/2012/06/08/why-we-should-all...
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1076781_lapping...
http://petrolblog.com/2012/06/08/why-we-should-all...
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1076781_lapping...
Life Saab Itch said:
Yes, massively.
What year was it that the 7 minute barrier was broken in F1 on the track? On the full circuit, not a B to G time.
Was it Lauda in 1975?
Look at the pomeroy index to see where the 1975 Ferrari 312T stands compared to today's cars.
That's an impressive lap for a bike, but it's not that great in outright speed terms.
This was on a road legal bike though, not a track only machine.What year was it that the 7 minute barrier was broken in F1 on the track? On the full circuit, not a B to G time.
Was it Lauda in 1975?
Look at the pomeroy index to see where the 1975 Ferrari 312T stands compared to today's cars.
That's an impressive lap for a bike, but it's not that great in outright speed terms.
DSE said:
Use Psychology said:
which except for radicals aren't that close to race cars (no downforce, compromised suspension, etc. etc.)
no but they are like *their* racing equivalents which I thought was the point you were making.
DSE said:
A superstock bike is probably somewhere around £15K-£20K. They lap at about 128mph I think.
I would think that a Formula Jedi would easily be available for that with change left over for a turbo hayabusa engine.Old F3 cars are certainly available for that sort of money. Those have aero that actually does something.
Life Saab Itch said:
I would think that a Formula Jedi would easily be available for that with change left over for a turbo hayabusa engine.
Old F3 cars are certainly available for that sort of money. Those have aero that actually does something.
You can even get an old F3000 with a v6 instead of a v8 engine but still with 400bhp from Here for not much more.Old F3 cars are certainly available for that sort of money. Those have aero that actually does something.
Life Saab Itch said:
Is it time to pull out the ancient F3000 car doing a french hillclimb video?
It is odd how nobody (unless I missed it) has mentioned a ferrari, mclaren, koenigsegg, pagani, porsche, etc ... all you are doing is confirming how quick bikes are by your choice of 'car' (that mega broad brush term, F1/F3000/Jedi/etc are more like karts than cars) to beat them. Bikes and cars give a totally different experience and both shoud be enjoyed by a true petrol head.
For the record - I really hope that a car (that everyone is happy with on here) takes the course on and sets a mega lap in the near future.
DSE said:
It is odd how nobody (unless I missed it) has mentioned a ferrari, mclaren, koenigsegg, pagani, porsche, etc ... all you are doing is confirming how quick bikes are by your choice of 'car' (that mega broad brush term, F1/F3000/Jedi/etc are more like karts than cars) to beat them.
Nobody's arguing that bikes are slow. As mentioned earlier the brit guy who recently set the Nurburgring bike record had a time on par with a GT2 RS - a fast car by any measure. Fast bikes are faster than the majority of stuff that wears number plates. However, it's a race lap, when talking about ultimate pace it makes sense to talk about race machinery. hairykrishna said:
Nobody's arguing that bikes are slow. As mentioned earlier the brit guy who recently set the Nurburgring bike record had a time on par with a GT2 RS - a fast car by any measure. Fast bikes are faster than the majority of stuff that wears number plates. However, it's a race lap, when talking about ultimate pace it makes sense to talk about race machinery.
Quite. The TT bikes don't have to wear number plates, so...Also, there was a suggestion of relative cost in there too, same sort of money as a TT capable bike.
Road car-wise the McLaren MP4 12C would probably be a good bet. Active suspension, capable of 205mph creates a bit of downforce (nothing that significant in the grand scheme of things) and it has a number plate.
It does cost8-10 TT bikes though...
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