RE: Isle of Man TT with Mark Higgins

RE: Isle of Man TT with Mark Higgins

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y2blade

56,091 posts

215 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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DSE said:
Bikes and cars give a totally different experience and both should be enjoyed by a true petrol head.
Well said yes And That is Probably the only sensible thing to get posted on this thread over the last few days.


DSE

65 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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hairykrishna said:
Nobody's arguing that bikes are slow. As mentioned earlier the brit guy who recently set the Nurburgring bike record had a time on par with a GT2 RS - a fast car by any measure. Fast bikes are faster than the majority of stuff that wears number plates. However, it's a race lap, when talking about ultimate pace it makes sense to talk about race machinery.
yep the karts would destroy cars and bikes. I agree.

Life Saab Itch

37,068 posts

188 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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DSE said:
For the record - I really hope that a car (that everyone is happy with on here) takes the course on and sets a mega lap in the near future.
It won't happen. The IOM authorities are not interested in the idea. It took Subaru a while (and a lot of sponsorship of the TT week + circuit cars etc) before they were allowed a go.

The couple of times I've written letters to the appropriate people I've had a "thanks but no thanks" back.


I guess TT week is enough and they don't want to turn it in to another Nurburgring.

Life Saab Itch

37,068 posts

188 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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DSE said:
yep the karts would destroy cars and bikes. I agree.
Karts rely on the twisting of the chassis and the tyre sidewalls as suspension.

Cars have suspension systems controlling the wheels.

A car doesn't turn in to a kart because it only has one seat.

y2blade

56,091 posts

215 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
I guess TT week is enough and they don't want to turn it in to another Nurburgring.
btw It is a Fortnight..also The ManxGP, that is a Fortnight too.
smile



DSE

65 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
It won't happen. The IOM authorities are not interested in the idea. It took Subaru a while (and a lot of sponsorship of the TT week + circuit cars etc) before they were allowed a go.

The couple of times I've written letters to the appropriate people I've had a "thanks but no thanks" back.

I guess TT week is enough and they don't want to turn it in to another Nurburgring.
oh well. we will never know then. end of thread ?

Life Saab Itch

37,068 posts

188 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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y2blade said:
btw It is a Fortnight..also The ManxGP, that is a Fortnight too.
It is, but it's referred to as "TT week". ITV4 coverage refers to it as that as do the locals. Peter Duke (Geoff's son) certainly did when I ran him in Britcar a couple of years ago. smile

y2blade

56,091 posts

215 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
y2blade said:
btw It is a Fortnight..also The ManxGP, that is a Fortnight too.
It is, but it's referred to as "TT week". ITV4 coverage refers to it as that as do the locals. Peter Duke (Geoff's son) certainly did when I ran him in Britcar a couple of years ago. smile
First time I've heard it as "TT-Week"..........I've heard it called "Race Week" or "practise week" yes And I've been visiting the TT for 12 years.


you Learn something new everyday yes
smile


DSE

65 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
Karts rely on the twisting of the chassis and the tyre sidewalls as suspension.

Cars have suspension systems controlling the wheels.

A car doesn't turn in to a kart because it only has one seat.
I meant more from an ethos point of view.

dingocooke

670 posts

220 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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y2blade said:
Life Saab Itch said:
y2blade said:
btw It is a Fortnight..also The ManxGP, that is a Fortnight too.
It is, but it's referred to as "TT week". ITV4 coverage refers to it as that as do the locals. Peter Duke (Geoff's son) certainly did when I ran him in Britcar a couple of years ago. smile
First time I've heard it as "TT-Week"..........I've heard it called "Race Week" or "practise week" yes And I've been visiting the TT for 12 years.


you Learn something new everyday yes
smile
What Y2Blade said; Ive been going to the TT and occasional MGP since 1977, and there is practice week and race week. or TT or MGP fortnight....as for ITV4 theyre hardly a reliable source; they cant even get all the parts of the course right; including Jamie Whitham who has raced there!!! Back on topic, slightly, I still think cars have no place at the TT, and this year the 'parade laps' of cars and hangers on has taken valuable practice time away and then the real practices have been cut short due to weather! Would british Grandprix goers want to see 5 fireblades sedately going round between the F1 cars? No, I think not, and all the peope I encountered this year thought the whole subaru thing was pointless and dull.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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dingocooke said:
y2blade said:
Life Saab Itch said:
y2blade said:
btw It is a Fortnight..also The ManxGP, that is a Fortnight too.
It is, but it's referred to as "TT week". ITV4 coverage refers to it as that as do the locals. Peter Duke (Geoff's son) certainly did when I ran him in Britcar a couple of years ago. smile
First time I've heard it as "TT-Week"..........I've heard it called "Race Week" or "practise week" yes And I've been visiting the TT for 12 years.


you Learn something new everyday yes
smile
What Y2Blade said; Ive been going to the TT and occasional MGP since 1977, and there is practice week and race week. or TT or MGP fortnight....as for ITV4 theyre hardly a reliable source; they cant even get all the parts of the course right; including Jamie Whitham who has raced there!!! Back on topic, slightly, I still think cars have no place at the TT, and this year the 'parade laps' of cars and hangers on has taken valuable practice time away and then the real practices have been cut short due to weather! Would british Grandprix goers want to see 5 fireblades sedately going round between the F1 cars? No, I think not, and all the peope I encountered this year thought the whole subaru thing was pointless and dull.
Possibly. I was at Laguna Seca a few years back when Rossi was still with Yam, and there were a lot of race cars doing display laps, and the crowd - and I for that matter - loved it. I'd paid to see the bikes hammer it out on track, but it was really nice to be able to see the speed differential between all the different classes.

O/T to anyone remotely into bikes, LS is THE best place to see bike racing. The yanks really do know how to put on a race event: The manufacturer displays on their own were a match for the NEC bike show. Then add in the custom groups displaying and the historic race cars, and trucks, etc. Best MGP I've ever been to as well as one of the cheapest.

4sure

2,438 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Sorry guys but i was at this years TT for practice week and race week and thought the whole Subaru demonstration, free laps for celebs thingy was pointless and dull !
Our group which included petrolheads of various interests on both 2 and 4 wheels were left underwhelmed at least.
Saw them leap over Ballaugh bridge (sort of)and the only comment that was offered from our group between yawns was "pity the poor sod that buys these ex demos" after hearing the crunch of front splitter and undertray on the tarmac.
Would have loved to see more clasic bike demo laps,and was also dissapointed with the new Norton, which was essentially a v4 Aprilia bolted to the old rotary chassis complete with Aprilia RS125 tail piece...But thats another story.

However was quite impressed with last years Subaru lap and was interested with the relative lap times car versus bike,and especially the later released youtube footage of lock to lock car control from Bray Hill to Ago,s Leap.

Lets keep the TT for 2 wheels.

otolith

56,035 posts

204 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
It won't happen. The IOM authorities are not interested in the idea. It took Subaru a while (and a lot of sponsorship of the TT week + circuit cars etc) before they were allowed a go.
Not in the interests of the event - the bike record would fall to a car like it has at every other circuit where both have run and the mythology of the TT in the minds of fans would be eroded. The existence of this thread every year is testament how much many people don't want it to be true and would be upset by having their noses rubbed in it.

DSE

65 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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otolith said:
Not in the interests of the event - the bike record would fall to a car like it has at every other circuit where both have run and the mythology of the TT in the minds of fans would be eroded. The existence of this thread every year is testament how much many people don't want it to be true and would be upset by having their noses rubbed in it.
biggest load of ste I have ever read. good work. bikes are not an equivalent to cars, they are fundamentally very different and give totally different experiences.

it could be that a car flying through someones front wall and into their house might be an issue for the local residents. the bikes do enough damage when they crash.

otolith

56,035 posts

204 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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DSE said:
biggest load of ste I have ever read. good work. bikes are not an equivalent to cars, they are fundamentally very different and give totally different experiences.
And pogo sticks are different too. So what?

DSE

65 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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otolith said:
And pogo sticks are different too. So what?
they dont go to the event because bikes are the quickest, it has nothing to do with it. they go because they are into bikes and fans of the riders who do the event.

Also, its fairly unique in that you can sit 2 meters away from bikes passing at 200+ mph.

otolith

56,035 posts

204 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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DSE said:
they dont go to the event because bikes are the quickest, it has nothing to do with it. they go because they are into bikes and fans of the riders who do the event.
And you don't think they are emotionally invested in the mythology that the IOM is special for bikes?

DSE

65 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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otolith said:
And you don't think they are emotionally invested in the mythology that the IOM is special for bikes?
no. just like people still go to motogp, bsb, etc even though f1 cars, etc are alot quicker.

try going to the event and seeing for yourself. if people like Mark Webber appreciate what these guys do and appreciate the entertainment value of it, you must be wrong. lap times arent the point.

tight5

2,747 posts

159 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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otolith said:
the bike record would fall to a car like it has at every other circuit where both have run
well , in the face of all these FACTS , i'm now convinced !

rolleyes


so , there can't be ONE place where bikes are quicker than cars ?

Use Psychology

11,327 posts

192 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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there isn't, really.

this thread, in its own way, sort of explains religion.