|
lestershaw
1,364 posts
27 months
|
Both of these were less than £4k the fugly delica is on the left 
|
|
|
The Crack Fox
8,088 posts
61 months
|
lestershaw said: Both of these were less than £4k the fugly delica is on the left and the moneypit RR is on the right... 
|
|
|
lestershaw
1,364 posts
27 months
|
not so far, years mot, all brake lines renewed, new air bags less than 1000 mile ago, new top end rebuild 5,000 miles ago, everything works , so what could go wrong :-)
|
|
|
Paddy_N_Murphy
15,152 posts
53 months
|
lestershaw said: Both of these were less than £4k the fugly delica is on the left  amazed how small the RR looks next to the Delica !
|
|
|
lestershaw
1,364 posts
27 months
|
|
|
veevee
869 posts
20 months
|
martin84 said: Sounds like we need to find the OP a high riding low down SUV shaped hatchback.
How hard could it be? Got the pick of pretty much every new car on the market!
|
|
|
y2blade
46,335 posts
84 months
|
veevee said: martin84 said: Sounds like we need to find the OP a high riding low down SUV shaped hatchback.
How hard could it be? Got the pick of pretty much every new car on the market! under £4k?
|
|
|
jbi
5,294 posts
73 months
|
300bhp/ton said: 1ntense said: Whats the deal with the freelanders then, had a feeling they were poo tbh.
Rav 4 and vitaras, reasons for recommending these please? Freelander's will get slated, but often unfairly. My Mum's on her 2nd and both of my cousins have had them. The Rav4 does look appealing too mind. But I think a Freelander is a more fun proposition, plus has a huge owners and enthusiasts community in the UK. I would not recommend a freelander unless you are mechanically competent or an enthusiast. The basic principal of the car is sound and there is no questioning it's capabilities when it works. This is the big sticking point... there are simply far too many lemons out there, and unless you know what you are looking for, or are handy with a spanner, stay clear as they WILL cost you an arm and a leg. The reason the RAV-4 is my recommendation? http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliability.aspx...http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/news/japanese-car-makers-...Notice that land rover over sits at the bottom
|
|
|
300bhp/ton
26,483 posts
59 months
|
jbi said: I would not recommend a freelander unless you are mechanically competent or an enthusiast.
The basic principal of the car is sound and there is no questioning it's capabilities when it works.
This is the big sticking point... there are simply far too many lemons out there, and unless you know what you are looking for, or are handy with a spanner, stay clear as they WILL cost you an arm and a leg. Not sure I agree. Most of the switchgear, engines, gearbox and such are all off the shelf items from other vehicles. Ok if you go K-Series 1.8 you have the usual HG issues to contend with, but it's really not the end of the world. apart from that it's just the drivetrain, which is really rather simple. If the centre diff seizes and you continue to run the vehicle, you'll likely bust the rear diff and the front IRD. But centre diffs aren't exactly pricey and are an item that you should change. This is really the only issue to bear in mind. But there are plenty of good FL's out there.
|
|
|
jbi
5,294 posts
73 months
|
we are talking engines, diffs, and drivetrain here
Not an "issue" to dedicated enthusiasts, but in a hassle free runabout?. The last thing a prospective owner wants to worry about is the fact his drivetrain is about to fall out but "it's not a problem if you are prepared to spend some time and money sorting it"
They are being given away in the classifieds because nobody wants them
|
|
|
300bhp/ton
26,483 posts
59 months
|
jbi said: we are talking engines, diffs, and drivetrain here
Not an "issue" to dedicated enthusiasts, but in a hassle free runabout?. The last thing a prospective owner wants to worry about is the fact his drivetrain is about to fall out but "it's not a problem if you are prepared to spend some time and money sorting it"
They are being given away in the classifieds because nobody wants them eh? No no no. L-Series deisel engines are 100% fine. The BMW Td4 is a good motor too and gives no more hassle than it does in any other vehicle it's used in. The 1.8i is pretty good too, apart from HG. But that can be solved and might already have been. Same with the 2.5KV6. None of these motors are any less reliable than any other mainstream car makers. The gearboxes are fine too. Tremac for the TD4 and PG1 for the 1.8 and L-Series. Ok you can bust a PG1 with a highly tuned L-Series and some brutal use. But for 99.99% of people it's no probs at all. Drivetrain.. the centre vicous coupling typically lasts 50,00 - 70,000 miles. It's no more intensive to solve than a cambelt change and similar cost. Drive anywhere in the UK for 30 mins or more and chances are you'll see one to many Freelanders being used daily... hardly a sign of a vehicle not capable of that kind of use.
|
|
|
jbi
5,294 posts
73 months
|
300bhp/ton said: Drive anywhere in the UK for 30 mins or more and chances are you'll see one to many Freelanders being used daily... hardly a sign of a vehicle not capable of that kind of use. This has more to do with the shear quantities of the things land rover initially sold IMO To save derailing this thread I will post an article from autoexpress which offers a buyers guide to the freelander http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/usedcartes...Alternately you could save yourself the trouble and just buy Japanese 
|
|
|
zoom star
39 posts
20 months
|
My wife has a Nissan Xtrail and we are very happy with it.
We are a Land Rover family also, I have a Discovery,and a Defender110,and a Freelander IMO is c**p.especially in the price range you have to spend,just my experience only.
|
|
|
300bhp/ton
26,483 posts
59 months
|
jbi said: This has more to do with the shear quantities of the things land rover initially sold IMO Which they wouldn't have sold and continued to sell if they are what you are claiming. jbi said: To save derailing this thread How can it be de-railing when the OP specifically asked about a Freelander??  jbi said: Sadly Autoexpress are experts as posting complete and utter arse gravy. Their buyer guides usually exemplify and this one appears no different. In fact all they do is slate the engines, despite the things the moan about most would be the same for any other vehicle  jbi said: Alternately you could save yourself the trouble and just buy Japanese I like Jap vehicles. Have owned a few, as has my brother. None of them, not a single one has proven cheaper or more robust than any of the British vehicles we've owned. And indeed, when car hunting early in the year for my Mum, we test drove an X-Trail. The thing was falling apart, broken glove box, exterior door handles that came off in your hand, rust (lots of it) and a feeling of driving a large box on the road. Seat fabric was nice, but the rest was quick shockingly poor. Also the diesel engines have a reputation for being very pricey to fix when they go wrong. The Rav4 is quite nice, but I suspect £4k will limit your choice of 2nd Gen diesel ones to look at. Which also aren't without fault or issues.
|
|
|
jimmyjarvis
4 posts
87 months
|
Watch out for the clutches & master cylinders in 2nd gen Rav4 Diesels. The petrol ones are a lot cheaper to maintain, no cambelts etc. My GF has a 2001 3 Door Rav that has just tipped 100k. Great fun to drive and *touch wood* perfectly realiable.
Honda CR-V is THE most reliable and most practical though. 3 proper seats in the back and as long as they don't run low on oil, it will do 200,000 miles +.
|
|
|
jbi
5,294 posts
73 months
|
300bhp/ton said: jbi said: This has more to do with the shear quantities of the things land rover initially sold IMO Which they wouldn't have sold and continued to sell if they are what you are claiming. Ignorance, Image and Buyers Regret are 3 things that come to mind jbi said: To save derailing this thread 300bhp/ton said: How can it be de-railing when the OP specifically asked about a Freelander?? He is asking about "best 4x4", the inclusion of the freelander of course being a oxymoron jbi said: 300bhp/ton said: Sadly Autoexpress are experts as posting complete and utter arse gravy. Their buyer guides usually exemplify and this one appears no different. In fact all they do is slate the engines, despite the things the moan about most would be the same for any other vehicle Okay, if one publications buyers guide is not enough shall I post another? http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/used/land-rover...http://www.reliabilityindex.com/buying-guides/view...I could of course keep going until I find one that glorifies the freelanders reliability but they seem to be few and far between (i.e nonexistant) jbi said: Alternately you could save yourself the trouble and just buy Japanese 300bhp/ton said: I like Jap vehicles. Have owned a few, as has my brother. None of them, not a single one has proven cheaper or more robust than any of the British vehicles we've owned. Will of course have to take your word on that. The market however and my own experience suggests a very different trend. 300bhp/ton said: And indeed, when car hunting early in the year for my Mum, we test drove an X-Trail. The thing was falling apart, broken glove box, exterior door handles that came off in your hand, rust (lots of it) and a feeling of driving a large box on the road. Seat fabric was nice, but the rest was quick shockingly poor. Also the diesel engines have a reputation for being very pricey to fix when they go wrong. No experience of the x-trail, nor am I recommending it. The RAV4 and CRV are where it is at. Nissan has not been the same since merging with Renault. 300bhp/ton said: The Rav4 is quite nice, but I suspect £4k will limit your choice of 2nd Gen diesel ones to look at. Which also aren't without fault or issues. I would probably go with the petrol option. It is what the Japanese do best.
|
|
|
1ntense
Original Poster
150 posts
44 months
|
Not sure I like the look of the RAV-4 tbh, what about the shoguns, any good?
Noticed you can get an Alfa GT 1.9 JTD within my budget, anyone got experience with these?
Not sure about the CRV, think Ill look at one when Ive sold the astra. Jap does appeal tbh.
I really do like the Jukes, unfortunately they're out of my price range though.
|
|
|
Bibbs
1,891 posts
79 months
|
|
|
R0G
3,242 posts
24 months
|
Nissan X trail (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions Unladen/kerb = 1515 GVW = 2050 Towing = 2000 Max trailer plated MAM = 1450 kgs for B licence towing I found this one under £4K - £3695 - 2004 model
|
|
|
sawman
2,774 posts
99 months
|
1ntense said: Not sure I like the look of the RAV-4 tbh, what about the shoguns, any good?
Noticed you can get an Alfa GT 1.9 JTD within my budget, anyone got experience with these?
Not sure about the CRV, think Ill look at one when Ive sold the astra. Jap does appeal tbh.
I really do like the Jukes, unfortunately they're out of my price range though. I ran a gen2 rav4 petrol for nearly 100k over 5 years, it never missed a beat, it was also fairly cheap to run (30 mpgish) and a good drive on twisty roads, much more composed than the same age freelander I tested when we bought the rav. The permanent AWD gave it a pretty secure feel on the road and could get us across the occasional muddy field without worry. The only issue we had really was space, Its just about golf sized really, I think xtrails and crv's are a bit more generous inside. Having said all that it probably wasn't as good overall as the forester I have just sold,
|
|
