RE: Spotted: Porsche Panamera manual

[leon9191]

Chris is this the car you group tested with the e39 M5 & the VXR8 in evo? That artical made me buy my first M5, picking up my second one next week. So basically you cost me a small fortune but worth every penny.

[FisiP1]

One of few cars that look much better in a dark color IMO.

I like it too.

Oh, and that Aqua Blue one in the classifieds is great looking.

Edited by FisiP1 on Tuesday 19th June 14:34

[Chris Harris]

leon9191 said:

Chris is this the car you group tested with the e39 M5 & the VXR8 in evo? That artical made me buy my first M5, picking up my second one next week. So basically you cost me a small fortune but worth every penny.

That's the one!

[kambites]

thewheelman said:

Must admit to liking the Panamera, I believe they look far better in the metal than in pictures.

Hmm, the opposite is true to my eye. They aren't that bad in pictures because you can't judge the scale but in the metal, when you can see how bulky they really are, they're truly vile.

I think white is about the worst colour too; dark colours hide the ungainliness to some extent.

[mister.t]

Spooky, I was only searching for manual Panamera's this morning!

[ndj]

The transmission tunnel looks like a piece of the Berlin wall...

[British Beef]

So you can buy a second hand E39 M5, run it for 2 years, inc. service, petrol, tax and insurance, and you will spend the same (including depreciation) as you would if you had owned one of these Panameras on Depreciation alone in the first 4 months.

The depreciation of these things is staggering, and the cost is quite incredible relative to the new M5 which offers more of everything for considerably less, if you want a new warp speed uber saloon.

I think the new M6 4dr when (if) it comes out will steal a lot of prospective Panamera owners.

[LewisR]

"Think E39 M5 performance, plus a little bit more, and you'll get the idea."
and a lot uglier, more costly in depreciation and more to buy in the first place.

How does one get "a little bit more" from one 400bhp car over another. Is the Panamera significantly lighter?

[kambites]

British Beef said:

The depreciation of these things is staggering, and the cost is quite incredible relative to the new M5 which offers more of everything for considerably less, if you want a new warp speed uber saloon.

Except a manual gearbox option in the UK.

[angryBMWdriver]

anyone who buys an ex-press fleet car is brave/on crack...

[sealtt]

The car equivalent of a mont blanc fountain pen with an eraser on the end.

[Gridl0k]

Do they all have some sort of weird fossil tribute in the boot carpet?

[fatboy69]

Any car with a stick shift works for me tbh. Saddened me somewhat when Ferrari stopped building cars with that beautiful little gated floor mounted shift.

Maybe old fashioned however i love a manual gearbox even though my X Type is an auto.....

[Munich]

kambites said:

British Beef said:

The depreciation of these things is staggering, and the cost is quite incredible relative to the new M5 which offers more of everything for considerably less, if you want a new warp speed uber saloon.

Except a manual gearbox option in the UK.

except a manual gearbox option, full stop.

[Munich]

MrTickle said:

tbc said:

as nice as it is

having a porker devalue £24,000 in little over a year is madness

that's retail to retail - probably nearer £30K retail to trade!

as I can't afford a new Panamera, I think it is great.

[Bezza1969]

I love Panameras too...saw one in Lyndhurst on sunday in same paint scheme as this. Great presence and turned many heads. Not everyone thinks they are pig ugly!!

[JREwing]

I can't imagine choosing one of these over a Jag, Mercedes or even Cadillac.....

[vinnie83]

Cheib said:

Love the idea of this in a world of flappy paddles.....I just find the looks very,very challenging. Maybe driving one helps overcome that ?

I had one last week as a courtesy car for a few days.

I loved it. It was the diesel, and a couple of weeks before, I had the hybrid.

Both in a dark brown, that looked practically black. It looks so menacing, and I had more positive comments about the car in under a week, than I can recall in my turbo in the last year!

If I was in the market for a big executive car, I would certainly take a punt on a Panamera.

Not to mention that it averaged 45+mpg over the couple of hundred miles I did (mixed), vs my old 535d averaging 27mpg over the same kind of driving - my current 320d is averaging 42mpg!

[vinnie83]

British Beef said:

So you can buy a second hand E39 M5, run it for 2 years, inc. service, petrol, tax and insurance, and you will spend the same (including depreciation) as you would if you had owned one of these Panameras on Depreciation alone in the first 4 months.

The depreciation of these things is staggering, and the cost is quite incredible relative to the new M5 which offers more of everything for considerably less, if you want a new warp speed uber saloon.

I think the new M6 4dr when (if) it comes out will steal a lot of prospective Panamera owners.

Likewise, you could have ran a 996 turbo in the same way as above for the depreciation on my 997 turbo.

But who cares?

Do you think that the kind of buyer for this car new will be considering a 10 year old BMW (as good a 10 year old BMW it is)?

Also, cost considerably less? Have you specced up a F10 M5? Won't have much change from £85k, so I would say they are priced about the same.

However, the Panamera isn't about all out performance like the M5. It's a far more comfortable car and will be aimed at a different kind of buyer.

[Gorbyrev]

Blessings on Porsche for having a stick shifter Panamera, didn't even realise it's an option. So Chris, to ask the rental question, how fast will it go in 2nd gear?!