RE: PH Blog: S express
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vjj said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
interesting, i suspect the S4s low own grunt will be far usable than the RS4s V8 grunt in real world driving
agree but all the electricary nonsense, but luckily you can spec the RS4 without it, to my spec its 61.5k which is not as much as i expected, loaded you can get it to 84k thou!!!
wouldnt agree about the S3 / RS3 thou having just put 4k miles on an S3 it has a real lack of low down grunt, gets totally out of shape on what i would consider moderate braking (feels like each front wheel is going in different directions) the 6 speed DSG is clumsy and dithers occasionally compared to the 7 speed but the amazing thing is the ride is vastly worse getting very close to crashy even thou the S3 rolls like a ship at sea on hard cornering, the 4 pot has very little character as well whilst the i5 wails with soul
trailing throttle oversteer is extremely easy in the S3 thou, very reminiscent of the R32 in placing the car on the road
Get the revo remap - it changes the car completelyagree but all the electricary nonsense, but luckily you can spec the RS4 without it, to my spec its 61.5k which is not as much as i expected, loaded you can get it to 84k thou!!!
wouldnt agree about the S3 / RS3 thou having just put 4k miles on an S3 it has a real lack of low down grunt, gets totally out of shape on what i would consider moderate braking (feels like each front wheel is going in different directions) the 6 speed DSG is clumsy and dithers occasionally compared to the 7 speed but the amazing thing is the ride is vastly worse getting very close to crashy even thou the S3 rolls like a ship at sea on hard cornering, the 4 pot has very little character as well whilst the i5 wails with soul
trailing throttle oversteer is extremely easy in the S3 thou, very reminiscent of the R32 in placing the car on the road
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 20th June 17:08
The B7 S4 is not a better car than a B7 RS4 (although the S of this vintage is awesome value for money now).
I've been singing the praises of the B8 S4 for a while now (as have msot of the other resident Audi nerds). It's an awesome package. Also it did better donuts on wet grass than a Nissan 370Z at the Uxbridge auto show
I've been singing the praises of the B8 S4 for a while now (as have msot of the other resident Audi nerds). It's an awesome package. Also it did better donuts on wet grass than a Nissan 370Z at the Uxbridge auto show
I agree on the S3 vs RS3. I got an S3 Sportback Black Edition at the end of last year. Getting the same toys in an RS3 would have been £14k more. The engine sounds better on the RS3, but that was about the only difference I could find assuming you spec the S3 correctly. I also wanted a manual so the RS3 was not an option. Believe it or not the S3 is actually cheaper than an equivalent spec Golf R.
Performance wise as others have stated you can easily and for relatively small money tune the S3 to RS3 performance levels. In fact, for under £2k you can get it up to around 360bhp which is RS3 beating. After that tuning gets expensive as you need to start changing all sorts of components. There are a few people on audisportnet who are running a reliable 450bhp, and in total have spent less than the cost of an RS3.
Performance wise as others have stated you can easily and for relatively small money tune the S3 to RS3 performance levels. In fact, for under £2k you can get it up to around 360bhp which is RS3 beating. After that tuning gets expensive as you need to start changing all sorts of components. There are a few people on audisportnet who are running a reliable 450bhp, and in total have spent less than the cost of an RS3.
One of the other dads at my daughter's school has a 2010 S4 avant in white AND VERY NICE IT IS TOO - stunning to look at with anthracite wheels
He says he gets about 30 to the gallon on a run and about 23 around town - very good considering he has nearly 350 bhp to play with - he had a V8 S4 before that though, and he does miss the noise but he said overall the V6 is the best car he has had.
He says he gets about 30 to the gallon on a run and about 23 around town - very good considering he has nearly 350 bhp to play with - he had a V8 S4 before that though, and he does miss the noise but he said overall the V6 is the best car he has had.
I like Dan's article. I have a December 09 B8 S4 Avant with S Tronic transmission without the sports diff & I think it is a great car. Fast & practicle. I have the MTM M-Cantronic upgrade, which makes a reasonable difference over the standard car. Drives well, stops well & goes round corners well. All round good motor.
vjj said:
Big Dan the Polishman
We have had from him - TT V6 3.2 Roadster KU57 EDF(wife) - used
S3 Black edition GY60 ***(wife) - new - still have
Q7 TDI S line BJ57 CYX (me) - used
Q7 Tdi S line plus GU12 *** (me) - new still have and will be PX against................A6 Avant TDi Biturbo - reg tbc (me) - new - delivery next week
Chopping in Q7 ' cos some T**t crashed in to the side of it - been repaired by audi but lost love for it - managed to do a swap for the A6 BiTurbo with no money in (Q7 very high spec - over 60k list - A6 54k list, got 5k off the Q7 back in March so I am happy with the deal)
Ah awesome, lot of time for Dan - he's taught me a lot of what I know, decent bloke too. Interesting to see how much more BHP you have from the S3 from just a stage one - having driven every single Audi, for me the S3 is the pick of the range - considering selling my A4 and getting one, definitely got to be a manual though.We have had from him - TT V6 3.2 Roadster KU57 EDF(wife) - used
S3 Black edition GY60 ***(wife) - new - still have
Q7 TDI S line BJ57 CYX (me) - used
Q7 Tdi S line plus GU12 *** (me) - new still have and will be PX against................A6 Avant TDi Biturbo - reg tbc (me) - new - delivery next week
Chopping in Q7 ' cos some T**t crashed in to the side of it - been repaired by audi but lost love for it - managed to do a swap for the A6 BiTurbo with no money in (Q7 very high spec - over 60k list - A6 54k list, got 5k off the Q7 back in March so I am happy with the deal)
That A6 Bi-turbo will be a monster! Sounds like Dan's looking after you as well with that kind of deal.
Don't overlook the DSG / S-Tronic version of the S3. I was happy enough with mine when I first got it (see my "Garage"), but it's really only after a year of driving it that I fully understand and know how to use the gearbox. You can have every feature of the manual gearbox with DSG if you use it correctly, but still with the advantages of DSG.
[quote=Dave Hedgehog]interesting, i suspect the S4s low own grunt will be far usable than the RS4s V8 grunt in real world driving
agree but all the electricary nonsense, but luckily you can spec the RS4 without it, to my spec its 61.5k which is not as much as i expected, loaded you can get it to 84k thou!!!
wouldnt agree about the S3 / RS3 thou having just put 4k miles on an S3 it has a real lack of low down grunt, gets totally out of shape on what i would consider moderate braking (feels like each front wheel is going in different directions) the 6 speed DSG is clumsy and dithers occasionally compared to the 7 speed but the amazing thing is the ride is vastly worse getting very close to crashy even thou the S3 rolls like a ship at sea on hard cornering, the 4 pot has very little character as well whilst the i5 wails with soul
trailing throttle oversteer is extremely easy in the S3 thou, very reminiscent of the R32 in placing the car on the road
What other cars did you look at when you got the S3 after the RS? A couple of friends have bought s3s lately and they really do seem to have the market to themselves, aside from the already dated looking 135 coupe.
agree but all the electricary nonsense, but luckily you can spec the RS4 without it, to my spec its 61.5k which is not as much as i expected, loaded you can get it to 84k thou!!!
wouldnt agree about the S3 / RS3 thou having just put 4k miles on an S3 it has a real lack of low down grunt, gets totally out of shape on what i would consider moderate braking (feels like each front wheel is going in different directions) the 6 speed DSG is clumsy and dithers occasionally compared to the 7 speed but the amazing thing is the ride is vastly worse getting very close to crashy even thou the S3 rolls like a ship at sea on hard cornering, the 4 pot has very little character as well whilst the i5 wails with soul
trailing throttle oversteer is extremely easy in the S3 thou, very reminiscent of the R32 in placing the car on the road
What other cars did you look at when you got the S3 after the RS? A couple of friends have bought s3s lately and they really do seem to have the market to themselves, aside from the already dated looking 135 coupe.
Bash Brannigan said:
What other cars did you look at when you got the S3 after the RS? A couple of friends have bought s3s lately and they really do seem to have the market to themselves, aside from the already dated looking 135 coupe.
I know not aimed at me, but when I got my S3 the only alternative seriously considered was a Golf R, which was more expensive for a similar spec for basically the same car.Jip said:
Ah awesome, lot of time for Dan - he's taught me a lot of what I know, decent bloke too. Interesting to see how much more BHP you have from the S3 from just a stage one - having driven every single Audi, for me the S3 is the pick of the range - considering selling my A4 and getting one, definitely got to be a manual though.
That A6 Bi-turbo will be a monster! Sounds like Dan's looking after you as well with that kind of deal.
You are right Alex - Big Dan is a top manThat A6 Bi-turbo will be a monster! Sounds like Dan's looking after you as well with that kind of deal.
They are a decent lot Crawley Audi
I can thoroughly recommend the the S3 - I had the wife's done at Revo HQ.
The only downside is that you HAVE to run on 98 - 95 will make it pink a bit
As for the Biturbo - look for the youtube video of 'Audi A6 3.0 tdi Avant BiTurbo v BMW M550d'
You will be blown away
Edited by vjj on Thursday 21st June 17:59
vjj said:
You are right Alex - Big Dan is a top man
They are a decent lot Crawley Audi
I can thoroughly recommend the the S3 - I had the wife's done at Revo HQ.
The only downside is that you HAVE to run on 98 - 95 will make it pink a bit
As for the Biturbo - look for the youtube video of 'Audi A6 3.0 tdi Avant BiTurbo v BMW M550d'
You will be blown away
Can't find the mentioned videoThey are a decent lot Crawley Audi
I can thoroughly recommend the the S3 - I had the wife's done at Revo HQ.
The only downside is that you HAVE to run on 98 - 95 will make it pink a bit
As for the Biturbo - look for the youtube video of 'Audi A6 3.0 tdi Avant BiTurbo v BMW M550d'
You will be blown away
Edited by vjj on Thursday 21st June 17:59
Crawley Audi lost the plot as far as I was concerned and lost chance to sell me a b8 rs4 because they were too lazy too investigate what was going on with it's existence
Audi should have brought a TT A6 8 years ago when BMW brought out the 535 which is what took me away from Audi (for me, mrs still had a couple)
Jeremy at Crawley was a top chap though
Bought my s4 from the Audi Crawley team. Had a good experience with them.
Mine is also specked with the sports diff and I was shocked at how easily driftable the car is on damp roundabouts. Like others have stated it really is an under rated car which puts out closer to 350bhp standard than what's quoted officially by Audi.
The only thing it really lacks is a more aggressive exhaust sound which can be rectified by various aftermarket companies. Milltek and Awe seem to be favourites with s4 owners.
Mine is also specked with the sports diff and I was shocked at how easily driftable the car is on damp roundabouts. Like others have stated it really is an under rated car which puts out closer to 350bhp standard than what's quoted officially by Audi.
The only thing it really lacks is a more aggressive exhaust sound which can be rectified by various aftermarket companies. Milltek and Awe seem to be favourites with s4 owners.
saints400 said:
I like Dan's article. I have a December 09 B8 S4 Avant with S Tronic transmission without the sports diff & I think it is a great car. Fast & practicle. I have the MTM M-Cantronic upgrade, which makes a reasonable difference over the standard car. Drives well, stops well & goes round corners well. All round good motor.
Also considering the MTM upgrade...would you recommend it? Any problems so far?YorkshireAndy said:
Bash Brannigan said:
What other cars did you look at when you got the S3 after the RS? A couple of friends have bought s3s lately and they really do seem to have the market to themselves, aside from the already dated looking 135 coupe.
I know not aimed at me, but when I got my S3 the only alternative seriously considered was a Golf R, which was more expensive for a similar spec for basically the same car.535dBoy said:
Can't find the mentioned video
Crawley Audi lost the plot as far as I was concerned and lost chance to sell me a b8 rs4 because they were too lazy too investigate what was going on with it's existence
Audi should have brought a TT A6 8 years ago when BMW brought out the 535 which is what took me away from Audi (for me, mrs still had a couple)
Jeremy at Crawley was a top chap though
just google 'audi A6 Avant tdi Biturbo v BMW 550d' and the first link is to the youtube videoCrawley Audi lost the plot as far as I was concerned and lost chance to sell me a b8 rs4 because they were too lazy too investigate what was going on with it's existence
Audi should have brought a TT A6 8 years ago when BMW brought out the 535 which is what took me away from Audi (for me, mrs still had a couple)
Jeremy at Crawley was a top chap though
joedesi said:
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Mine is also specked with the sports diff and I was shocked at how easily driftable the car is on damp roundabouts. Like others have stated it really is an under rated car which puts out closer to 350bhp standard than what's quoted officially by Audi.
I've been thinking about getting a S4 Avant to replace my wife's Saab and my Golf Ed 30, but I don't know if I want her drifting it through damp roundabouts. Is there a diff setting that doesn't allow that?Mine is also specked with the sports diff and I was shocked at how easily driftable the car is on damp roundabouts. Like others have stated it really is an under rated car which puts out closer to 350bhp standard than what's quoted officially by Audi.
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