RE: Powerkit for Porsche Carrera S
Discussion
Prof Prolapse said:
Tongue in cheek but not a joke.
I guess it's a can of worms but if you focus on absolute BHP per litre then fair enough but the lack of torque is rather tedious.
Kong put it better than me.
But VTEC's DONT lack torque compared with other engines of same size!!!!I guess it's a can of worms but if you focus on absolute BHP per litre then fair enough but the lack of torque is rather tedious.
Kong put it better than me.
Whats rather tedious, is when people on internet forums say they do!
Edited by Porkie on Thursday 21st June 13:47
Porkie said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Tongue in cheek but not a joke.
I guess it's a can of worms but if you focus on absolute BHP per litre then fair enough but the lack of torque is rather tedious.
Kong put it better than me.
But VTEC's DONT lack torque compared with other engines of same size!!!!I guess it's a can of worms but if you focus on absolute BHP per litre then fair enough but the lack of torque is rather tedious.
Kong put it better than me.
What rather tedious when people on internet forums say they do!
Why do they lack so much oomph then?
Prof Prolapse said:
I see.. I've just looked at some dyno graphs and the 197 renault and an '05 civic and they seem to agree with what I've said but admittedly the civic one looks to be written in crayon.
Why do they lack so much oomph then?
They DON'T!Why do they lack so much oomph then?
reasons people wrongly believe they do....
1. People compare 1600cc Vtecs to 2000cc engines like duratecs or Vaux XE etc etc.
2. People compare the S2000 2000cc engine to 3200cc engines in Boxsters or even worse Turbo charged 2000cc engines in Sub/Evo/Cosworth
3. The engines goes SO well up top that it can lead to a feel of them being a little lethargic down low. But look at the figures, they dont loose out on low down torque to other engines of similar size
E38Ross said:
MrTickle said:
wow, 0.3 sec off 0-62 with only an extra 30bhp!
it's probably the 430bhp PDK car vs the 400bhp manual car. no way in hell would simply adding 30bhp take 0.3s of an already quick 0-62mph time. it would if some car was going from 60bhp to 90bhp but not 400 to 430.The 4.3 figure relates the PDK without SC+, the manual C2S is quoted at 4.5 to 62.
As with the 997 powerkit I reckon it's more about improved response at mid-high RPM's than out and out increases in drag times.
E38Ross said:
MrTickle said:
wow, 0.3 sec off 0-62 with only an extra 30bhp!
it's probably the 430bhp PDK car vs the 400bhp manual car. no way in hell would simply adding 30bhp take 0.3s of an already quick 0-62mph time. it would if some car was going from 60bhp to 90bhp but not 400 to 430.Fail on article writer for not comparing apples with apples.
Porkie said:
They DON'T!
reasons people wrongly believe they do....
1. People compare 1600cc Vtecs to 2000cc engines like duratecs or Vaux XE etc etc.
2. People compare the S2000 2000cc engine to 3200cc engines in Boxsters or even worse Turbo charged 2000cc engines in Sub/Evo/Cosworth
3. The engines goes SO well up top that it can lead to a feel of them being a little lethargic down low. But look at the figures, they dont loose out on low down torque to other engines of similar size
I find your use of capitals intimidating.reasons people wrongly believe they do....
1. People compare 1600cc Vtecs to 2000cc engines like duratecs or Vaux XE etc etc.
2. People compare the S2000 2000cc engine to 3200cc engines in Boxsters or even worse Turbo charged 2000cc engines in Sub/Evo/Cosworth
3. The engines goes SO well up top that it can lead to a feel of them being a little lethargic down low. But look at the figures, they dont loose out on low down torque to other engines of similar size
I'm open to being wrong about this, but I'm not doing any of those things. A 200 Clio (2.0 NA) still gets 20ft/lb more of torque though for more of the rev range. Infact the 172 clio had more peak torque across the range as does the Fiesta ST185?
I think I've derailed the thread.... Drove a Porsche GT3 on a slipperly air strip earlier this year. Great fun. Only Porsche I'd own.
Porkie said:
They DON'T!
reasons people wrongly believe they do....
1. People compare 1600cc Vtecs to 2000cc engines like duratecs or Vaux XE etc etc.
2. People compare the S2000 2000cc engine to 3200cc engines in Boxsters or even worse Turbo charged 2000cc engines in Sub/Evo/Cosworth
3. The engines goes SO well up top that it can lead to a feel of them being a little lethargic down low. But look at the figures, they dont loose out on low down torque to other engines of similar size
Finally, someone talking sense. reasons people wrongly believe they do....
1. People compare 1600cc Vtecs to 2000cc engines like duratecs or Vaux XE etc etc.
2. People compare the S2000 2000cc engine to 3200cc engines in Boxsters or even worse Turbo charged 2000cc engines in Sub/Evo/Cosworth
3. The engines goes SO well up top that it can lead to a feel of them being a little lethargic down low. But look at the figures, they dont loose out on low down torque to other engines of similar size
I will wait to see if the engines can last longer than 30k without needing new bearing or in most cases in the 997 range a new engine!
My next door neighbours 997 Carrera S was bought by him brand new from the dealer. It has less than 30k on it & according to PORSCHE is starting to show bad bore ware on two of the six cylinders!
I now no longer want a 911 & will stick with BMW M division.
My next door neighbours 997 Carrera S was bought by him brand new from the dealer. It has less than 30k on it & according to PORSCHE is starting to show bad bore ware on two of the six cylinders!
I now no longer want a 911 & will stick with BMW M division.
kambites said:
Big Six said:
I now no longer want a 911 & will stick with BMW M division.
So you can have Vanos failures instead? Almost all manufacturers' engines have their problems, of one sort or another.
t these days, especially in cars which have regular oil changes. Wills2 said:
acer12 said:
Exactly, 911 buyers normally rock up to a dealer throw a blank cheque at the sales man and let him fill it out.
Well they must have been disappointed when I rocked up then and asked for a discount some might do what your describing but most don't. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff