Best Smoker Barges 1-5 large [Vol 4]

[Great Pretender]

olly22n said:

And they make your hands smell.

Assuming one doesn't keep a handy glove tucked inside the fuel filler cap.

Better than getting a crotch full of liquid gas though, non?

You girt big .

[Output Flange]

E38Ross said:

Except for when they go wrong, which isn't too infrequent.

Because E38s aren't famous for rusty fuel tanks at £1k per pop, or needing frequent cooling system refreshes, or cam and crank sensors failing etc etc...

[V8mate]

Output Flange said:

olly22n said:

And they make your hands smell.

So does a Ginsters Buffet Bar.

Pervert.

[Great Pretender]

E38Ross said:

Great Pretender said:

I'm willing to bet that it'll be more refined than a six-pot S-class, ten years it's senior though. And probably quicker too.

That's progress for you.

Whilst I shan't leave my seat in anticipation, I expect to see literally billions of the things in and around Heathrow/West London in coming months (all debadged, naturally); proving that there be a market for such a vehicle and then some.

I can't tell you the last time I saw a non-diesel S-Class in fact (Russian-spec AMGs notwithstanding). Them's the time's we live in. But getting back to your point, it also shows just how far diesel engine technology as come and the market has reacted accordingly.

Never thought I'd say this even five years ago, but I can't think of a single reason why I'd go back to petrol for my week-day wheels now. The combination of diesel, modern fueling technology and turbos, makes for grunty, fuel efficient and refined long-legged machines which trump their petrol counterparts in every area bar aural satisfaction and (to a lesser extent) NVH.

Except for when they go wrong, which isn't too infrequent.

Only really worthy of consideration for the 2nd buyer of a high mileage, ten yr old used car though. My previous comment was directed at those who dictate the winds of change in vehicle propulsion: the punters buying cars new off the shelf (as a consequence of tightening emissions regs and rising cost of fuel).

[Great Pretender]

E38Ross said:

Except for when they go wrong, which isn't too infrequent. Also,the difference between a turbo diesel and a turbo petrol is far less than you think. The petrol being better of course

See that there? That man in the street is better than you are. That's how much validity your revised post above holds

Petrol is better for what precisely?

[V8mate]

Great Pretender said:

Petrol is better for what precisely?

Blowing up Parliament.

[Great Pretender]

V8mate said:

Great Pretender said:

Petrol is better for what precisely?

Blowing up Parliament.

You'll be popular on the 5th November with your Jerry-can and solitary match.

[E38Ross]

Great Pretender said:

E38Ross said:

Except for when they go wrong, which isn't too infrequent. Also,the difference between a turbo diesel and a turbo petrol is far less than you think. The petrol being better of course

See that there? That man in the street is better than you are. That's how much validity your revised post above holds

Petrol is better for what precisely?

Smoothness/refinement, power, noise. A turbo charged petrol has just as good low down grunt (relative to max permissable engine speed) as a turbo diesel.

[r129sl]

Sniffing.

[V8mate]

Great Pretender said:

V8mate said:

Great Pretender said:

Petrol is better for what precisely?

Blowing up Parliament.

You'll be popular on the 5th November with your Jerry-can and solitary match.

I'm going to do it on the 4th. They'll never see that coming.

Or the 6th. They'll have dropped their guard by then.

[Output Flange]

E38Ross said:

Smoothness/refinement, power, noise. A turbo charged petrol has just as good low down grunt (relative to max permissable engine speed) as a turbo diesel.

So why aren't BMW, Merc, Audi etc all releasing turbo petrol barges?

[r129sl]

You'd have to be insane or very well off to pick a S500 over a S350 CDI these days. Obviously, if the lottery is won, it will be the petrol jobby, but back in the real world diesel suits most buyers' needs well enough and the refinement compromise is, well, a fair compromise.

Back to the bangers chaps?

[Output Flange]

Barge.

[E38Ross]

Output Flange said:

E38Ross said:

Smoothness/refinement, power, noise. A turbo charged petrol has just as good low down grunt (relative to max permissable engine speed) as a turbo diesel.

So why aren't BMW, Merc, Audi etc all releasing turbo petrol barges?

Erm, they are? 740i, 750i and 760li are all turbo charged and more powerful than the diesel equivalent.

[Output Flange]

Barge.

[Fox-]

Output Flange said:

So why aren't BMW, Merc, Audi etc all releasing turbo petrol barges?

Because the market wants max bling for lowest monthly cost and not ultra quality products now which is why manufacturers are able to drop quality standards too - most buyers do not care.

[Great Pretender]

E38Ross said:

Smoothness/refinement, power, noise. A turbo charged petrol has just as good low down grunt (relative to max permissable engine speed) as a turbo diesel.

OK, reasonable comment, but the downside is greater fuel consumption.

Now, in a sports-car, I wouldn't go anywhere near a diesel, but in a big luxury car? Honestly, where the cost of fuel is a consideration, I don't understand why anyone would buy a petrol (new).

[Output Flange]

E38Ross said:

Erm, they are? 740i, 750i and 760li are all turbo charged and more powerful than the diesel equivalent.

And what percentage of 7er sales are they going to make up? 5%? 10%?

[Great Pretender]

Fox- said:

Output Flange said:

So why aren't BMW, Merc, Audi etc all releasing turbo petrol barges?

Because the market wants max bling for lowest monthly cost and not ultra quality products now which is why manufacturers are able to drop quality standards too - most buyers do not care.

Err. You. What?

[points Fox back towards the drawing board]

[Fox-]

Sorry?