RE: You Know You Want To: £20K Porsche 996 Turbo
Discussion
s m said:
Crimp a Length! said:
I had an 02 Black 6T and it did everything very well, in fact due to my average driving skills i could cover ground far quicker than in my now owned GT2,
Which do you enjoy the most on reflection?The benefit for me with the 6T is having rear seats so i can get the kids in.
But as an occasion/weekend car the GT2 is seat of your pants and the power is awesome, they also look a lot better than the turbo.
As long as it is sound, that is serious value but I would get a Porsche specialist to check it over, it is in that space where it is cheap for what it is and can do but potentially if it breaks it could get very expensive very quickly and it isn't so cheap you can just scrap it.
Would want a compression check, basically a thorough going over of the whole car but mainly the engine as I guess a 996 turbo engine is probably 20k new from Porsche, wouldn't unduly worry about the mileage, condition and what has already been spent is the key, think these are pretty tough and I believe they dont suffer the same engine failures as the non turbos.
Would want a compression check, basically a thorough going over of the whole car but mainly the engine as I guess a 996 turbo engine is probably 20k new from Porsche, wouldn't unduly worry about the mileage, condition and what has already been spent is the key, think these are pretty tough and I believe they dont suffer the same engine failures as the non turbos.
Got to admit, they are great cars, I've got one at the moment, not driven it much recently as the clutch needs changing as it's slipping under load (getting this sorted in a week or two come pay day!), and a fresh MOT, i'll be back on the road properly.
My car is a 92k mileage example, with it being a 51 plate car the mileage still stands under average if you say 10,000 per annum was the average to go by.
Had my rad's changed in October last year, and a fully documented history to go with it from Porsche and a specialist after wards.
I've come straight from an R34 GTR into the 911 Turbo, I know the chap Porkie sold his to and all 3 of us have had an R34 GTR at one point,and got to admit the 911 is a much better package of a car, the only downside being the rear seats but it's not the type of car for rear seats, though the R34 GTR had more than enough space for 2 adult, in the 911 a friend started to moan after 5 minutes lol.
A slighty shameless bump, i'll be putting mine up for sale in a few weeks, had my eye on something italian for a while and with the new job,i can justify having one finally
, so anyone interested let me know,it'll be going onto the PH classifieds as all my car's go on there anyway, dark blue with tan interior.
Now away from the shameless bump,awesome car's and bargains considering the performance,and the cost new! If mine doesn't sell I'll just enjoy driving it
My car is a 92k mileage example, with it being a 51 plate car the mileage still stands under average if you say 10,000 per annum was the average to go by.
Had my rad's changed in October last year, and a fully documented history to go with it from Porsche and a specialist after wards.
I've come straight from an R34 GTR into the 911 Turbo, I know the chap Porkie sold his to and all 3 of us have had an R34 GTR at one point,and got to admit the 911 is a much better package of a car, the only downside being the rear seats but it's not the type of car for rear seats, though the R34 GTR had more than enough space for 2 adult, in the 911 a friend started to moan after 5 minutes lol.
A slighty shameless bump, i'll be putting mine up for sale in a few weeks, had my eye on something italian for a while and with the new job,i can justify having one finally
, so anyone interested let me know,it'll be going onto the PH classifieds as all my car's go on there anyway, dark blue with tan interior.Now away from the shameless bump,awesome car's and bargains considering the performance,and the cost new! If mine doesn't sell I'll just enjoy driving it
TomTVR500 said:
I would just buy the 996 to be honest. The 997 has horrible bling tastic alloys and while the lights and interior are an improvement, the 997 Gen1 Turbo is (I hear) a much trickier car to drive quickly and is far more likely to bite you if you get it wrong and surely the whole point of the Turbo is making going very quickly, very easy.
Dunno who told you this. But they were wrong in my experience and opinionThey are pretty similar to drive I thought. Just the 997 has a far far nicer interior and still looks fresh.
As a PCGB member I've owned various 911's for a total of 13+ years so have a bit of experience in them but all said this is only my opinion. The 996 was possibly Porsche's best selling 911 and subsequently flooded the market, there's gazillions of them for sale, it's is generally recognised as being one of the most unloved 911's of all times, the 964 being second to it. beauty is the eye of the beholder and for someone looking for outright performance for less money they are a fantastic bargain. Someone looking for a proper 911 they are not the one to buy. As has already been said on this thread, I went to the launch of the 996 at the motor show the first impression when I saw it on the stand was the flat lines of the side profile and those bloody awful fried egg headlights. I later saw it at my local Porsche Centre, the first impression when I sat in it was the plastic cheap and nasty interior.
These have dropped the guts on £100k to sub £20k for a reason, they are likely to fall further.
If your just looking for a bargain 911 and prepared to lose serious money in it's further depreciation go for a 996, if you're looking for a pucker 911 to hold or even gain in value, don't.....another 'don't' is making a comparison between these and 997 simply because their isn't one.
These have dropped the guts on £100k to sub £20k for a reason, they are likely to fall further.
If your just looking for a bargain 911 and prepared to lose serious money in it's further depreciation go for a 996, if you're looking for a pucker 911 to hold or even gain in value, don't.....another 'don't' is making a comparison between these and 997 simply because their isn't one.
Fantastic cars. 
Had mine 3 years and love it. Moved up from a Carrera and a Boxster S before that. Drive one, hit full boost and your sold.
As mentioned though, they are good value, but there can be big bills on them. Rads and condensors are a common replacement, that's the best part of £2k all in.
Make sure any car you look at has had those done, or has meshes fitted over the air intakes. Clutches are going at this age / mileage, around £1k - £1.5k depending where you go and if there's any extra's needed.
Look out for the exhaust bolts and turbo heat shields. I've just had all mine done and replaced both Turbo's, oil pipework, catch pots and NRV's at the same time.
A big bill, but I looked around at chopping the car in. Couldn't really find anything I liked more for the money. So now I've got an absolute minter.
Had mine 3 years and love it. Moved up from a Carrera and a Boxster S before that. Drive one, hit full boost and your sold.
As mentioned though, they are good value, but there can be big bills on them. Rads and condensors are a common replacement, that's the best part of £2k all in.
Make sure any car you look at has had those done, or has meshes fitted over the air intakes. Clutches are going at this age / mileage, around £1k - £1.5k depending where you go and if there's any extra's needed.
Look out for the exhaust bolts and turbo heat shields. I've just had all mine done and replaced both Turbo's, oil pipework, catch pots and NRV's at the same time.
A big bill, but I looked around at chopping the car in. Couldn't really find anything I liked more for the money. So now I've got an absolute minter.
cjb1 said:
As a PCGB member I've owned various 911's for a total of 13+ years so have a bit of experience in them but all said this is only my opinion. The 996 was possibly Porsche's best selling 911 and subsequently flooded the market, there's gazillions of them for sale, it's is generally recognised as being one of the most unloved 911's of all times, the 964 being second to it. beauty is the eye of the beholder and for someone looking for outright performance for less money they are a fantastic bargain. Someone looking for a proper 911 they are not the one to buy. As has already been said on this thread, I went to the launch of the 996 at the motor show the first impression when I saw it on the stand was the flat lines of the side profile and those bloody awful fried egg headlights. I later saw it at my local Porsche Centre, the first impression when I sat in it was the plastic cheap and nasty interior.
These have dropped the guts on £100k to sub £20k for a reason, they are likely to fall further.
If your just looking for a bargain 911 and prepared to lose serious money in it's further depreciation go for a 996, if you're looking for a pucker 911 to hold or even gain in value, don't.....another 'don't' is making a comparison between these and 997 simply because their isn't one.
I respect your opinion and generally agree with most points, but I'd say that the two main driving forces in the depreciation of the 996 was the sheer number made AND the issues surrounding IMS failure.These have dropped the guts on £100k to sub £20k for a reason, they are likely to fall further.
If your just looking for a bargain 911 and prepared to lose serious money in it's further depreciation go for a 996, if you're looking for a pucker 911 to hold or even gain in value, don't.....another 'don't' is making a comparison between these and 997 simply because their isn't one.
While there's no guarantee that any particular water-cooled unit will suffer a failure, there's no guarantees that it won't either. And the 'net has been one of the biggest factors in spreading this fear (whether founded or not). This problem, of course, also affects the 997, and, I feel, will contribute to prices for 997s following the same curve as the 996.
The Turbo, of course, does not have IMS issues.
cjb1 said:
As a PCGB member I've owned various 911's for a total of 13+ years so have a bit of experience in them but all said this is only my opinion. The 996 was possibly Porsche's best selling 911 and subsequently flooded the market, there's gazillions of them for sale, it's is generally recognised as being one of the most unloved 911's of all times, the 964 being second to it. beauty is the eye of the beholder and for someone looking for outright performance for less money they are a fantastic bargain. Someone looking for a proper 911 they are not the one to buy. As has already been said on this thread, I went to the launch of the 996 at the motor show the first impression when I saw it on the stand was the flat lines of the side profile and those bloody awful fried egg headlights. I later saw it at my local Porsche Centre, the first impression when I sat in it was the plastic cheap and nasty interior.
These have dropped the guts on £100k to sub £20k for a reason, they are likely to fall further.
If your just looking for a bargain 911 and prepared to lose serious money in it's further depreciation go for a 996, if you're looking for a pucker 911 to hold or even gain in value, don't.....another 'don't' is making a comparison between these and 997 simply because their isn't one.
LOL.These have dropped the guts on £100k to sub £20k for a reason, they are likely to fall further.
If your just looking for a bargain 911 and prepared to lose serious money in it's further depreciation go for a 996, if you're looking for a pucker 911 to hold or even gain in value, don't.....another 'don't' is making a comparison between these and 997 simply because their isn't one.
Without even looking at your profile, I'm guessing your a 993 or 930 owner.
cjb1 said:
If your just looking for a bargain 911 and prepared to lose serious money in it's further depreciation go for a 996, if you're looking for a pucker 911 to hold or even gain in value, don't.....another 'don't' is making a comparison between these and 997 simply because their isn't one.
DisagreeMaybe true for the normal Carrera...
but a mk1 996 GT3 or a 996GT2, maybe even the GT3RS could all hold value or gain...
and of course you can compare the 996Turbo with the 997Turbo. They are pretty similar cars with very different price tags at the moment.
cjb1 said:
it's is generally recognised as being one of the most unloved 911's of all times, the 964 being second to it.
I love the 964 because it was my favourite car on Need For Speed on the 3DO. And the 996 turbo was my favourite car on NFS:Porsche Challange.If people don't want them I will have them!
good post, agree 100% (especially about the numbers sold). I still think that those fried egg headlights and gawpy frnt bumper does the 996 any favours though.
TTwiggy said:
I respect your opinion and generally agree with most points, but I'd say that the two main driving forces in the depreciation of the 996 was the sheer number made AND the issues surrounding IMS failure.
While there's no guarantee that any particular water-cooled unit will suffer a failure, there's no guarantees that it won't either. And the 'net has been one of the biggest factors in spreading this fear (whether founded or not). This problem, of course, also affects the 997, and, I feel, will contribute to prices for 997s following the same curve as the 996.
The Turbo, of course, does not have IMS issues.
While there's no guarantee that any particular water-cooled unit will suffer a failure, there's no guarantees that it won't either. And the 'net has been one of the biggest factors in spreading this fear (whether founded or not). This problem, of course, also affects the 997, and, I feel, will contribute to prices for 997s following the same curve as the 996.
The Turbo, of course, does not have IMS issues.
Be fair Tom, I did also go on to say "beauty is the eye of the beholder and for someone looking for outright performance for less money they are a fantastic bargain'. We're all entitled to our opinion and we must remember that the 996 & 964's are still Porsches after all and not everyone will be fortunate enough to own one in their lifetime, but, in my opinion only, they're just not the prettiest of the bunch (964 Turbo exempt as they are a stunning looker, again, in my opinion).
tomellingham said:
I love the 964 because it was my favourite car on Need For Speed on the 3DO. And the 996 turbo was my favourite car on NFS:Porsche Challange.
If people don't want them I will have them!
If people don't want them I will have them!
You've moved the goal posts you rascle! GT2 and GT3's, different ball game Sir!
Porkie said:
Disagree
Maybe true for the normal Carrera...
but a mk1 996 GT3 or a 996GT2, maybe even the GT3RS could all hold value or gain...
and of course you can compare the 996Turbo with the 997Turbo. They are pretty similar cars with very different price tags at the moment.
Maybe true for the normal Carrera...
but a mk1 996 GT3 or a 996GT2, maybe even the GT3RS could all hold value or gain...
and of course you can compare the 996Turbo with the 997Turbo. They are pretty similar cars with very different price tags at the moment.
tomellingham said:
cjb1 said:
it's is generally recognised as being one of the most unloved 911's of all times, the 964 being second to it.
I love the 964 because it was my favourite car on Need For Speed on the 3DO. And the 996 turbo was my favourite car on NFS:Porsche Challange.If people don't want them I will have them!
I've been reluctantly looking at Porsches for the last 15 years. I talked myself out of buying a 964RS years ago (just 21k then!), and through choice or poverty have never actually bought one.
My wife has been the keenest on getting an old Porsche. I'd always assumed an aircooled would be the one to get - probably a 964, but with their prices rising and 996s so affordable, I think the net has just widened.
Are the 997s really so much better?
My wife has been the keenest on getting an old Porsche. I'd always assumed an aircooled would be the one to get - probably a 964, but with their prices rising and 996s so affordable, I think the net has just widened.
Are the 997s really so much better?
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