Cars you didn't know existed...

[750turbo]

dxg said:

m8rky said:

GroundEffect said:

They are NCAP 0 rated. We have been advised to not even drive them on UK roads.

Same platform as the Micra, which makes you wonder how it could be so bad in comparison...

The NCAP rating is for Europe, so would not even have been tested surely? Am I missing something/

http://www.euroncap.com/en

[RobinBanks]

Exactly. It's a bit of hype - if it was never type approved in the EU, it wouldn't have been submitted for NCAP testing.

[Mercury00]

jamiebae said:

I bring you the Datsun Go. Recently launched in India and firmly aimed at the budget end of the market (think a cost-reduced Dacia with all the safety features removed)







Full road test here, not coming to a dealer near you any time soon (assuming you live in Western Europe)

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-reviews/datsun-go...

It shares parts with the new Suzuki Celerio.

[ATTAK Z]

Mercury00 said:

It shares parts with the new Suzuki Celerio.

Isn't that a vegetable ?

[Mercury00]

ATTAK Z said:

Isn't that a vegetable ?

Only if you can't spell.

[GC8]

delboy735][url said:

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I present to you....the Santana ?????

So much rust gathered, in such a short length of time.....

In a similar vein, and directly related to the Santana:

[viscountdallara]

Mercury00 said:

ATTAK Z said:

Isn't that a vegetable ?

Only if you can't spell.

We need to get to the root cause of this !!

[gforceg]

Until a year or so ago I had never heard of the De Tomaso Guara...



While poking around in dark corners of the internet, I found this. I had no idea.

http://www.autozine.org/Archive/De_Tomaso/classic/...

[Abbott]

dxg said:

m8rky said:

GroundEffect said:

They are NCAP 0 rated. We have been advised to not even drive them on UK roads.

Same platform as the Micra, which makes you wonder how it could be so bad in comparison...

With the simplest seat belts with no pretensioning or load limiting and no airbags the vehicle would score very low. Add to that a crash structure that may not have the latest design it could easily just fall apart on impact.

[Slow]

Abbott said:

dxg said:

m8rky said:

GroundEffect said:

They are NCAP 0 rated. We have been advised to not even drive them on UK roads.

Same platform as the Micra, which makes you wonder how it could be so bad in comparison...

With the simplest seat belts with no pretensioning or load limiting and no airbags the vehicle would score very low. Add to that a crash structure that may not have the latest design it could easily just fall apart on impact.

To be honest, it still has to be safer than my 83 cherry. It lacks abs/airbags/rear seatbelts. Cant be much less safe than say a early 90s car?

[dxg]

Slow said:

Abbott said:

dxg said:

m8rky said:

GroundEffect said:

They are NCAP 0 rated. We have been advised to not even drive them on UK roads.

Same platform as the Micra, which makes you wonder how it could be so bad in comparison...

With the simplest seat belts with no pretensioning or load limiting and no airbags the vehicle would score very low. Add to that a crash structure that may not have the latest design it could easily just fall apart on impact.

To be honest, it still has to be safer than my 83 cherry. It lacks abs/airbags/rear seatbelts. Cant be much less safe than say a early 90s car?

Hmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRzh8uLA1tM

vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4UiAKdAsII

It's enough to make you question a company's morals.

(Although I can't understand the different deformation of the passenger cell. Unless it's lower grade steel or perhaps "platform" is literally just the floorpan).

[Willy Nilly]

dxg said:

Hmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRzh8uLA1tM

vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4UiAKdAsII

It's enough to make you question a company's morals.

(Although I can't understand the different deformation of the passenger cell. Unless it's lower grade steel or perhaps "platform" is literally just the floorpan).

It's nothing to do with morals, the market obviously isn't there for cars that survive crashes. Yet. Currently they want cheap cars, making them survive crashes better will make their product more expensive and thus un-competitive

[Slow]

dxg said:

Slow said:

Abbott said:

dxg said:

m8rky said:

GroundEffect said:

They are NCAP 0 rated. We have been advised to not even drive them on UK roads.

Same platform as the Micra, which makes you wonder how it could be so bad in comparison...

With the simplest seat belts with no pretensioning or load limiting and no airbags the vehicle would score very low. Add to that a crash structure that may not have the latest design it could easily just fall apart on impact.

To be honest, it still has to be safer than my 83 cherry. It lacks abs/airbags/rear seatbelts. Cant be much less safe than say a early 90s car?

Hmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRzh8uLA1tM

vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4UiAKdAsII

It's enough to make you question a company's morals.

(Although I can't understand the different deformation of the passenger cell. Unless it's lower grade steel or perhaps "platform" is literally just the floorpan).

Obviously its not as good as modern cars but as a comparison heres a cherry into a straight wall. Not sure Datsun improved actually after seeing that video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtT12FwwGjQ

I know that things lacking modern safety features but if you wanted to just get 5 people into a car for as cheap as possible and not worry about them dying it doesnt seem a bad bet. Seems like a way to get a odd 80s hatch thats not sporting in the modern day and age?

[jamiebae]

Mercury00 said:

jamiebae said:

I bring you the Datsun Go. Recently launched in India and firmly aimed at the budget end of the market (think a cost-reduced Dacia with all the safety features removed)







Full road test here, not coming to a dealer near you any time soon (assuming you live in Western Europe)

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-reviews/datsun-go...

It shares parts with the new Suzuki Celerio.

Really? I thought it was entirely Renault/Nissan's work and the Celereo was all Suzuki. It uses a platform vaguely related to the Micra but with a lot of costly stuff taken out.

[Mercury00]

Don't forget Suzuki and Nissan shared the previous Suzuki Alto, also known as the Nissan Pixo, which the Celerio replaces.

[Eighteeteewhy]

Pug 205 xa or "Multi"

[jamiebae]

Mercury00 said:

Don't forget Suzuki and Nissan shared the previous Suzuki Alto, also known as the Nissan Pixo, which the Celerio replaces.

Not really - Suzuki did the Alto themselves and then did a deal with Nissan for it to become the Pixo in Europe, it wasn't a joint venture in the traditional sense. In fact, it was meant to be a VW but they decided to make the Up instead.

I think any similarities between the Go and Celerio are just a coincidence and they're not actually related at all.

As for the safety thing with Indian cars, they tend to have no airbags or ABS on basic models and prioritise interior space over safety, plus high tensile steels are expensive so crash performance is far from Western standards.

[BarbaricAvatar]

Just come across the "Hofstetter Turbo".



Built by a Brazilian company between 1986 and 1991. Apparently 18 of the horrid things were made!



A mid-mounted turbocharged VW 1.8 producing a (presumably wheezy) 140bhp.



This appears to be the only angle from which it doesn't look st.

Edited by BarbaricAvatar on Tuesday 1st September 13:55

[shakotan]

gforceg said:

Until a year or so ago I had never heard of the De Tomaso Guara...



While poking around in dark corners of the internet, I found this. I had no idea.

http://www.autozine.org/Archive/De_Tomaso/classic/...

If the Alfa GTV Coupe and Lotus Elan M100 has a baby...

[Puddenchucker]

Zagato Lamborghini Raptor