RE: PH Blog: BMW M6 and the art of noise
Discussion
PastorOfMuppets said:
I never will understand what the hell they were up to with that one. People over here were crying out for a manual and the americans (who so often can't drive a 'stick shift' got them!?)
There is a certain amount of kudos attached to having a manual gearbox in America, precisely because it's so rare and many people can't use one. Because it's viewed as the "cheap" option here, people feel they need something else in an expensive car. I'd say this sounds rather tasty, although the price tag is probably quite scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRCM4A4xlcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRCM4A4xlcc
PastorOfMuppets said:
Yeah I understand that, but why not offer it here too? Surely there would've been enough sales to justify it? Pretty sure the folks at BMW don't read PH - or if they do they ignore what they see.
I'm guessing it would cost too much to develop because we drive on the wrong side of the road. Luca Brasi said:
I'd say this sounds rather tasty, although the price tag is probably quite scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRCM4A4xlcc
Definitely, the standard exhaust is far too farty and subdued. But BMW's sound unique, as do AMG's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRCM4A4xlcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-l_kSW5V5k&fea...
I guess some people just want more....more more MORE!
David87 said:
So basically if they release an M650d the M6 will serve no purpose at all?
There are still plenty of people who would not buy a diesel if it were the last wheels out of hell. This is particularly the case in the USA and the Middle East. I'm not in the market for anything like this, but if I were, my 6 would be petrol powered. The economy isn't even that bad in the new model.I fear that BMW are gradually losing the plot with regards to their M cars.
Always faster, but always bigger and heavier.
And every step forwards technology-wise seems to herald a step backwards for driver involvement and enjoyment.
And despite being a big Audi fan (ok, of the Ur Quattro era) they have headed down the same path IMHO.
Personally I'd crash the cash on the mintest low miles M635i I could find. Not as advanced, fast or capable, but you could DRIVE it and, more to the point, ENJOY it (acknowledging the fact that it's a coupé not a convertible...).
Always faster, but always bigger and heavier.
And every step forwards technology-wise seems to herald a step backwards for driver involvement and enjoyment.
And despite being a big Audi fan (ok, of the Ur Quattro era) they have headed down the same path IMHO.
Personally I'd crash the cash on the mintest low miles M635i I could find. Not as advanced, fast or capable, but you could DRIVE it and, more to the point, ENJOY it (acknowledging the fact that it's a coupé not a convertible...).
You can't expect a company to maintain momentum after its peak.
The v10 was one of the best engines in the world (despite the criticism), and having anything other than that in the next car was always going to be a step down.
Yes the new M6 looks better than the old one, but the exterior does not define the driving experience in any car.
Enjoy it for what it is, don't expect as much as what the previous model offered and know that the next one's likely to be even worse.
The v10 was one of the best engines in the world (despite the criticism), and having anything other than that in the next car was always going to be a step down.
Yes the new M6 looks better than the old one, but the exterior does not define the driving experience in any car.
Enjoy it for what it is, don't expect as much as what the previous model offered and know that the next one's likely to be even worse.
Good article and draws on something from the 1 series vs golf article as well. I've noticed that modern petrol engines rev and drive just like the alternative diesel in the range. Why pay extra for the petrol engines lump if it's going to sound like a diesel (or have no sound) use a turbo like modern diesels and petrol cars chasing economy and not have the character and fire of the older NA engines. That being said, if AMG Mercedes can do it (no man can deny the AMG mercs sound awesome with or without turbo power) then BMW should - please!
To the 1 series 125i vs the golf gti, as the beemer no longer has the straight six engine, swapped in favour of a four turbo, then it's lost a large amount of appeal and one of it's major selling points to me. They just need to make the next 1 series front wheel drive and there we have it, another golf drone, chasing fleet and mid pack sales. Really disappointing from BMW.
To the 1 series 125i vs the golf gti, as the beemer no longer has the straight six engine, swapped in favour of a four turbo, then it's lost a large amount of appeal and one of it's major selling points to me. They just need to make the next 1 series front wheel drive and there we have it, another golf drone, chasing fleet and mid pack sales. Really disappointing from BMW.
The way I see it motoring journalists are partly to blame for things like this because when a car company goes all out and makes a high revving, let’s say... V10 they criticize it for being "unusable in the real world" which in itself to me is total rubbish because an E60 M5 pulling through the gears without ever getting close to its stride would accelerate as quickly as most quick cars (such as an S1 Elise) being wrung out.
Please make your minds up.
To my mind, petrol’s should be revvy, sound brilliant, naturally aspirated and coupled to a manual gearbox.
Diesels should provide all round "real world" if you like, performance with oodles of low down shove providing effortless speed and they suit auto boxes more (even though I'm still not a fan)
If you start trying to make petrol’s fill the role of diesels you make the diesel engine pointless and the petrol engine rubbish.
Can we go back to the 80's and 90's please.
Please make your minds up.
To my mind, petrol’s should be revvy, sound brilliant, naturally aspirated and coupled to a manual gearbox.
Diesels should provide all round "real world" if you like, performance with oodles of low down shove providing effortless speed and they suit auto boxes more (even though I'm still not a fan)
If you start trying to make petrol’s fill the role of diesels you make the diesel engine pointless and the petrol engine rubbish.
Can we go back to the 80's and 90's please.
SSBB said:
Chunkychucky said:
How on earth have they made a V8 sound so boring whilst not using a flat-plane crankshaft..?! 
The pressure waves are absorbed and distorted by the impeller in the turbocharger I would think.V88Dicky said:
It's nothing a good, custom exhaust fabricator couldn't sort out. The standard car probably has six or seven silencers and resonators.
The Impreza is turbocharged, renove the resonator box, you get the lovely sound. True the headers aren't equal, but even with equal headers, you still get a burble until the revvs are high.TomTVR500 said:
The way I see it motoring journalists are partly to blame for things like this because when a car company goes all out and makes a high revving, let’s say... V10 they criticize it for being "unusable in the real world" which in itself to me is total rubbish because an E60 M5 pulling through the gears without ever getting close to its stride would accelerate as quickly as most quick cars (such as an S1 Elise) being wrung out.
Please make your minds up.
To my mind, petrol’s should be revvy, sound brilliant, naturally aspirated and coupled to a manual gearbox.
Diesels should provide all round "real world" if you like, performance with oodles of low down shove providing effortless speed and they suit auto boxes more (even though I'm still not a fan)
If you start trying to make petrol’s fill the role of diesels you make the diesel engine pointless and the petrol engine rubbish.
Can we go back to the 80's and 90's please.
I must be the only one who hated the V10 M5 - the gearbox was utterly crap, and the engine, though admitedly an engineering marvel, had to be revved to within an inch of its life to deliver. Nothing wrong with revvy engines, but the E39 M5's V8 was far more to my liking, plus it had a proper, real, manual box. Less power than the E60, but way more accessible. If I compare the E60 and F10 variants of the M5, the F10 wins hands down. Just a nicer engine to use, at least from my perspective, and the gearbox actually works properly.Please make your minds up.
To my mind, petrol’s should be revvy, sound brilliant, naturally aspirated and coupled to a manual gearbox.
Diesels should provide all round "real world" if you like, performance with oodles of low down shove providing effortless speed and they suit auto boxes more (even though I'm still not a fan)
If you start trying to make petrol’s fill the role of diesels you make the diesel engine pointless and the petrol engine rubbish.
Can we go back to the 80's and 90's please.
In an ideal world, where we can play fantasy mix'n'match, I'd take AMG's M156, stick it in an F11 Touring shell, and put the 991's 7-speed manual in it. And, just for comedy value, some 520d badges and 17" wheels.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
strange thing is, when we were at te ring last year we had some down time as the track was being used as an industry day.
we saw the M5 test mule pounding round & it sounded epic, this was say a year before it came out, you could tell it was turbo'd but it still had the big v8 growl that amg cars do.
wonder what went wrong?
Emissions regs, noise regs, the installation of all sorts of electronic crap. Test cars always sound awesome, they dont have to conform to any regulations we saw the M5 test mule pounding round & it sounded epic, this was say a year before it came out, you could tell it was turbo'd but it still had the big v8 growl that amg cars do.
wonder what went wrong?
ac427 said:
kambites said:
I'm guessing it would cost too much to develop because we drive on the wrong side of the road.
Was the manual gearbox available in Germany or the rest of mainland Europe?Is this exhaust sound issue just a worry for the turbo V8's, or is the new M3 in danger too ?
As for the sound question: turbos kill a lot of the exhaust noise, so IMHO it's a pretty general thing for any turbocharged engine.
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