RE: Pic of the Week: An M6 going sideways

[aeropilot]

LuS1fer said:

Idiots who refer to them as skips are clearly very insecure/petulant/immature.

Is that and or?

[E38Ross]

LuS1fer said:

E38Ross said:

the boss mustang isn't half the price though, it's the same. your mustang is half the price, but it's not as quick as an M3, nor is the interior as nice. the boss mustang is as quick (quicker....?) as the M3, costs the same, but rides poorly from what multiple reviews have said compared to the M3.

also - FWIW the M3 rides MUCH better than other BMWs on run flats. their ride is usually fine once you change those st tyres. they work in Germany, but not here sadly.

It is half the price in the US. Hard to compare them here because if you imported an M3 from the US, it would still be twice the price IYSWIM

How do you know an M3 is faster than mine? Mine has better suspension than the Boss and more power. I'm sure the M3 is easier to extract the most from though.

Interiors are subjective. I've never seen a BMW interior I like and the "quality" argument passes me by. Idiots who refer to them as skips are clearly very insecure/petulant/immature.

But your mustang isn't standard so incomparable. Sit in a Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series and tell me you can't tell a difference in quality. Every single person without fail who has sat in my old e38 says the interior feels really well put together. I'm not sure whether I envy you or pity you for not being able to tell the difference.

[Kong]

LuS1fer said:

Interiors are subjective. I've never seen a BMW interior I like and the "quality" argument passes me by. Idiots who refer to them as skips are clearly very insecure/petulant/immature.

A bit like trolling every single BMW tread would you say?

[LuS1fer]

E38Ross said:

But your mustang isn't standard so incomparable. Sit in a Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series and tell me you can't tell a difference in quality. Every single person without fail who has sat in my old e38 says the interior feels really well put together. I'm not sure whether I envy you or pity you for not being able to tell the difference.

A Mercedes S Class or BMW 7 Series...sure, they're comparable. What is comparable is a base spec BMW or Audi without any options not a top spec car with every option hiding behind a "list price". I'm sure BMWs are quite well put together but take a look around for the survivors ten or twenty years on. Where are they?

It's not trolling, either, to suggest BMWs are getting uglier by the day - there are mmany posts agreeing.

I have nothing against people who like BMWs but the "quality" argument wears a little thin. A BMW 316Ti has been on my list of cars but the interiors are really rather basic and the steering wheels look like a pair of shoes after ten years on a building site. They're OK but they're really nothing special. My sister had three and has a MINI now.

There seems to be a misconception that if it feels slightly soft and looks "quality" then it is "quality" but my Mustang interior is as new 7 years on and nothing has worn or broken. It was the same for my old Z28 after 7 years and even my 1987 Z28 which looked hard, brittle and shiny inside was still original after 17 years.

So don't envy or pity me because you just may be easily pleased. I've also had 35 cars as comparators.

Slipping quickly back to the S-Class, I had one of those as my wedding car in 2004. Shiny hard leather and naff wood. I just think you may have an entirely different concept of what quality amounts to.

[Baryonyx]

Must have been a slow week, if this boat scrubbing it's tyres is the best offering. Mildly sideways it may be, but it looks about as graceful as an elephant.

[E38Ross]

Your first sentence misses my point completely. Whilst the cars aren't comparable the difference in interior quality is. Shiny leather? Are you sure they weren't treated with some nasty leather care crap? Also, you're saying the quality of a bottom of the range 316ti interior isn't high quality..... Well, that's because it's bottom of the range!

Small Things make a difference. A small example, the sun visors on cheap cars feel like plastic, in mine they are lined in alcantara. The door pockets are carpeted, not just plastic. The buttons feel solid, not like cheaper cars, it's impossible to describe it without being shown. The glove box is felt lined, not just plastic..... Instead of just falling down when opens, it gently swoops down. Little things just add to the experience. It's impossible to explain and if you don't get it, you never will.

You say you don't troll, you just say they're getting uglier, and that's fair enough and many other people say it. Yet you complain when many people say American car interiors are crap quality. It's not a coincidence lots say it.

[LuS1fer]

Look, you have your "quality" interior and your little engine and I'll take the Ford interior and V8 (or he "base" 307hp V6).

If you think there's much to complain about in this interior package, you're expecting too much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks as long as YOU like YOUR interior. I wouldn't trade mine.

[E38Ross]

Personal insults at the engine in my car now? Come on. On the other side, I'll take the 760li or S65 engine over yours. We're talking interiors not engines. If you don't get it, you won't ever. Fair enough.

[Kong]

LuS1fer said:

It's not trolling, either, to suggest BMWs are getting uglier by the day - there are mmany posts agreeing.

I'm sorry but your opening post in this thread is clearly trolling. You troll all of the treads about BMWs and German cars in general. You offer your opinion on why it's st, argue with people who don't think it's st, then start banging on about how some shoddy American car is better - every single time.

You have a chip on your shoulder that theres a general bias towards German cars on these boards and you constantly feel the need to go on the offensive.

[MGJohn]

OK ... I'll come clean. I really, really HATE all this sideways poncing about.

Can never understand this sideways obsession some have.

Crab-like .... yuk.

[BeirutTaxi]

MGJohn said:

OK ... I'll come clean. I really, really HATE all this sideways poncing about.

Can never understand this sideways obsession some have.

Crab-like .... yuk.

John, get yourself a proper RWD car for some fun instead of being broken down at the side of the road with a dreary old Rover that's had yet another random head gasket failure.. you'll soon understand what the appeal of going sideways is

Edited to add: The first minute of this video must be heaven for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzsbcF1DcO0&fea...

Edited by BeirutTaxi on Sunday 1st July 10:04

[LuS1fer]

E38Ross said:

Personal insults at the engine in my car now? Come on. On the other side, I'll take the 760li or S65 engine over yours. We're talking interiors not engines. If you don't get it, you won't ever. Fair enough.

You take it the wrong way. I like your car. The point was that for a set price you can't have both a "luxury" interior and a performance engine - you pay your money and take your choice. For £100k you'd really expect an interior designed by Jean Paul Gautier and trimmed in panda skin. The engines you quote came in hyper-expensive cars.

Kong - I never started the comparison with the Mustang, I still don't see the comparison or relevance to a 6 series. People like to click on my profile and have a go but it's not relevant and generally based on nothing but guesswork.

I've driven and owned German cars, I just balance out the fan boys because forums are constituted from differing opinions. When BMW make a good-looking car (Like Ross's), I'll be the first to cheer them on. For the record, I love the 70s BMWs, the E46, the E34 and occasionally like the E60. On the other hand, I'm a documented non-fan of the pre-2005 Mustang and the 2010-on Mustang but understand their appeal.

[E38Ross]

LuS1fer said:

E38Ross said:

Personal insults at the engine in my car now? Come on. On the other side, I'll take the 760li or S65 engine over yours. We're talking interiors not engines. If you don't get it, you won't ever. Fair enough.

You take it the wrong way. I like your car. The point was that for a set price you can't have both a "luxury" interior and a performance engine - you pay your money and take your choice. For £100k you'd really expect an interior designed by Jean Paul Gautier and trimmed in panda skin. The engines you quote came in hyper-expensive cars.

Kong - I never started the comparison with the Mustang, I still don't see the comparison or relevance to a 6 series. People like to click on my profile and have a go but it's not relevant and generally based on nothing but guesswork.

I've driven and owned German cars, I just balance out the fan boys because forums are constituted from differing opinions. When BMW make a good-looking car (Like Ross's), I'll be the first to cheer them on. For the record, I love the 70s BMWs, the E46, the E34 and occasionally like the E60. On the other hand, I'm a documented non-fan of the pre-2005 Mustang and the 2010-on Mustang but understand their appeal.

[MGJohn]

BeirutTaxi said:

MGJohn said:

OK ... I'll come clean. I really, really HATE all this sideways poncing about.

Can never understand this sideways obsession some have.

Crab-like .... yuk.

John, get yourself a proper RWD car for some fun instead of being broken down at the side of the road with a dreary old Rover that's had yet another random head gasket failure.. you'll soon understand what the appeal of going sideways is

Edited to add: The first minute of this video must be heaven for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzsbcF1DcO0&fea...

PH Mindset alert!

Fifty plus years of driving MGs and Rovers and NEVER repeat never had an unreliable one and NEVER been left at the roadside by one, unlike other folks I could mention. Several K-Series owned from new cars in family and no problems the brainwashed always seem to regurgitate. This is one of my 'daily drivers' ~ thirteen years old and amazingly, still on original head gasket.



many moons ago now, I passed my test in a rear wheel drive car and have owned numerous examples since. Do you get my 'drift'... ....Poncing about mangling tyres and stressing transmission, steering etc goes against the grain of the purist driver and mechanical enthusiast within me. Plus it's slow.

That is all.

EDIT to add @ 13:26

Would a mid-engined, rear wheel drive car be considered proper by you? Maybe the MG/F and MG/TF are 'improper' rear wheel drive cars. Never see Ferrari with that improper configuration...

Edited by MGJohn on Sunday 1st July 13:27

[Asterix]

Pixel Pusher said:

DLovett said:

9.5/10

Never scored that high before!

All downhill from here on in mate - you've peaked!

[E38Ross]

MGJohn said:

PH Mindset alert!

Fifty plus years of driving MGs and Rovers and NEVER repeat never had an unreliable one and NEVER been left at the roadside by one, unlike other folks I could mention. Several K-Series owned from new cars in family and no problems the brainwashed always seem to regurgitate. This is one of my 'daily drivers' ~ thirteen years old and amazingly, still on original head gasket.



many moons ago now, I passed my test in a rear wheel drive car and have owned numerous examples since. Do you get my 'drift'... ....Poncing about mangling tyres and stressing transmission, steering etc goes against the grain of the purist driver and mechanical enthusiast within me. Plus it's slow.

That is all.

EDIT to add @ 13:26

Would a mid-engined, rear wheel drive car be considered proper by you? Maybe the MG/F and MG/TF are 'improper' rear wheel drive cars. Never see Ferrari with that improper configuration...

Edited by MGJohn on Sunday 1st July 13:27

how do you explain the headgasket blowing on my old fully serviced 214i despite having a fine cooling system? what about the same on my old aunts rover 400.....twice.....also a fully serviced car. how you can deny any head gasket problems on those engines is beyond me. there clearly is. and they do "just go". it's an extremely common thing. oh - and 13 years old on original head gasket is nothing. a head gasket shouldn't really ever go on a car to be honest, and on most it won't. it does on rovers more commonly than others - fact.....it just is and you know it but keep denying it for some reason.

the MG-F could be a good car, if the build quality or engine weren't so poor.

FWIW, i don't get the whole drifting thing either. i'd rather not do it, certainly not to one of my cars.

[MGJohn]

E38Ross said:

and you know it but keep denying it for some reason.

the MG-F could be a good car, if the build quality or engine weren't so poor.

FWIW, i don't get the whole drifting thing either. i'd rather not do it, certainly not to one of my cars.

You don't 'get' this drifting thing either. Hey! A kindred spirit ...

Rovers .... "denying it for some reason" you say....

Whoah back there. I have merely stated that in fifty years of MG and Rover ownership, none of MY cars have been unreliable. The TWO K-Series cars bought new in the family, one in 1993 ( Rover Metro ) and one in 2003 (MG ZS ) both have the "They all do that" K series engine. Neither have and both cars still in family ownership and in good shape. Neither car has been professionally serviced since the day they left the showroom new, only by myself, an amateur spannerman.

What I have done though during the past ten years or so is buy the occasional car with 'headgasket issues' or other problems, not just K-Series cars. Nice cars some poor owner has given up on after spending various amounts to get his and in several cases, her car running correctly. In EVERY case I have been able to identify the cause which damaged the gasket where professionals have failed to do so. I am no expert on these things but have accumulated some experience with cars and their ailments over the years. Guess what; after a 'wipe over' with an oily cloth and a few hours careful TLC and a minimum of new parts replaced carefully, a reliable car has been the result. All still running strong with friends or within the family for minimum outlays. It aint Rocket Science if you get my drift ...

One of my MG Turbos is closing on thirty years old now and still on original ... everything! Yes, extremely reliable cars in my experience and if one shows signs of so called 'failure' tomorrow, it will be a first and I'll simply sort it.

One of my sons also has an S2 Lotus Elise with a fine running K-Series engine in the back. He of course keeps an eye on the coolant level as all owners should check as recommended by all manufacturers. Even I'm amazed when he tells me the coolant level has not budged in the past two years.

As a nation we have a penchant for pressing the self-destruct button in so many overkill ways. Jumping with glee on Rover's grave whilst buying fine BMWs and other stuff which incidentally never go wrong and when they do, it is usually far more costly than a simple cylinder head gasket renewal. However, never shouting that from the rooftops .... unless its a Rover.

So E38Ross, it's just my slant on these things. Yes, well out of step with the rest of the UK flock but, that's me ...

Back on topic track ... or, not if you overdo the 'drifting' things...

P.S. Being rear wheel drive, you have to admit they're a bit ditchfinder rubbish in less than ideal road conditions such as following a sprinkling of rain or when a few flakes of snow are about the place. Then it's unintentional drifter's heaven is is not... ... I fit a tow bar to all my MGs and Rovers and it has come in useful for pulling "they all do that" rear wheel drive cars out of the local ditches when the going gets tough and slippery. Even fitted one to my Rover Coupe many moons ago. That car still exists but will not show on DVLA records since I exported it.

Other Rover enthusiasts ~ yes, some exist .. ... castigated me for fitting one to this car :~



Bet you wish you hadn't responded to my tongue in cheek original posting ~ serves you right...

... have a nice one.
.

[garypotter]

Please Mr BMW sack the design staff!! as previously mentioned a very ugly car, the old and new 6 series have never swithced my boat, yes BMW make some of the best engines just a shame they cant't match to good looking cars.

[E38Ross]

MGJohn - i don't argue that your cars haven't had headgasket problems. there are multiple occasions when you say the cars in general DON'T have headgasket problems, which they clearly do. also....that car looks like it's leaning to one side a bit

i actually saw a rover today. it stood up to the stereotype - it was a longer 214i car (not the hatch) and was driven by some old duffer doing 22mph in a 30 limit. i duly overtook him

[MGJohn]

E38Ross said:

MGJohn - i don't argue that your cars haven't had headgasket problems. there are multiple occasions when you say the cars in general DON'T have headgasket problems, which they clearly do. also....that car looks like it's leaning to one side a bit

i actually saw a rover today. it stood up to the stereotype - it was a longer 214i car (not the hatch) and was driven by some old duffer doing 22mph in a 30 limit. i duly overtook him

Good for you... old folks should be put down at every opportunity.

You can believe what you like.

What is clearly a fact is that they rarely actually fail. They are usually first damaged by some other agency such as overheating following coolant loss and then stressed by excessive heat are unable to do the job designed to do....on any car. There are some other marques which are prone to the same thing as the K-Series is earmarked for. Only folks do not go on about it incessantly.

Maybe when your new tyre gets nailed with a puncture it's a "They all do that failure"...

This old duffer was held up by a creeping along top spec Syntner? car this morning who duly jumped out of a side street in front of me so I had to lift off and brake. He then crept along at 22mph.... cowson! I duly overtook him quickly with ease using a little boost. Later he chose to overtake on the inside at illegal speed by which time I was doing 40 in the 40 limit. Obviously someone who sees being overtaken by and aged Rover as a :~

CLARKSON said:

.
"A sign of weakness".
.

Look around you. Chances are you will see as I have done that many older folks have used their pension lump sums to 'invest' in a Bavarian Sierra ( they are now that once Ford commonplace around here ) or something with a three pointed star on it.

Open those peepers E38 and observe ~ things have changed and old duffers drive other cars now mainly. Those two German marques will soon reach stereotypical old duffer status soon ... mark my words...

There again, maybe E38Ross has "jumped the gun" by becoming prematurely aged and driving one already... Yes, that's it ... Muhahahahahah ...
.