RE: Pic of the Week: An M6 going sideways

[E38Ross]

MGJohn said:

What is clearly a fact is that they rarely actually fail.

except they do fail FAR more often than the head gaskets on most other cars. how you can deny that is beyond me. the % fail rate for them is much higher than for most other car engines. deny that, and you're the one who needs to open the peepers.

[MGJohn]

E38Ross said:

MGJohn said:

What is clearly a fact is that they rarely actually fail.

except they do fail FAR more often than the head gaskets on most other cars. how you can deny that is beyond me. the % fail rate for them is much higher than for most other car engines. deny that, and you're the one who needs to open the peepers.

I'm not denying anything. Obviously you FAIL to differentiate between the words fail and damage.

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[Marquis Rex]

E38 Ross being his usual jibbering popular fan boy self as per usual

[jas xjr]

Marquis Rex said:

Is that vixpy ?

[Vixpy1]

jas xjr said:

Is that vixpy ?

[E38Ross]

Marquis Rex said:

E38 Ross being his usual jibbering popular fan boy self as per usual

Wow, even saying it doesn't appeal makes people a fan boy these days does it

[NoodleSmythe]

MGJohn said:

PH Mindset alert!

Fifty plus years of driving MGs and Rovers and NEVER repeat never had an unreliable one and NEVER been left at the roadside by one, unlike other folks I could mention. Several K-Series owned from new cars in family and no problems the brainwashed always seem to regurgitate. This is one of my 'daily drivers' ~ thirteen years old and amazingly, still on original head gasket.



many moons ago now, I passed my test in a rear wheel drive car and have owned numerous examples since. Do you get my 'drift'... ....Poncing about mangling tyres and stressing transmission, steering etc goes against the grain of the purist driver and mechanical enthusiast within me. Plus it's slow.

That is all.

EDIT to add @ 13:26

Would a mid-engined, rear wheel drive car be considered proper by you? Maybe the MG/F and MG/TF are 'improper' rear wheel drive cars. Never see Ferrari with that improper configuration...

Edited by MGJohn on Sunday 1st July 13:27

The Torsen FWD differential'ed Tomcat could be made to spin violently mid corner without provocation by Tony Pond as I recall. He could reproduce the effect at will for the Rover management team. Fear of litigation put paid to it's production.

[MGJohn]

NoodleSmythe said:

The Torsen FWD differential'ed Tomcat could be made to spin violently mid corner without provocation by Tony Pond as I recall. He could reproduce the effect at will for the Rover management team. Fear of litigation put paid to it's production.

Overdrive any car, be it a Veyron or Metro 1.0L and you can make it do all sorts of things.

My TomCat Turbo had a TorSen Differential. I had to rebuild the gearbox as the previous owner had allowed, or those he entrusted to repair the gearbox previously, to run without lubricant! Only an egg cup full was drained from it when 'noises' first appeared instead of the recommended 2.2 Litres of MTF 94!

The previous owner was clocked @ 133 mph on the M3 and was awarded a six month ban and hefty fine... Must try harder ... ... That car was capable of rather more than that unless the Satnav spoke with forked tongue.

If I hustled the car ( overdrove it ) on a less than ideal surface you could make the front wheels do all sorts of things... not recommended unless you know what you're doing.

I used an MG Montego Turbo Gold Label PG1 for the rebuild as it has the same spec as the Tomcat turbo's ~ same gear ratios and final drive ~ but, with steel caged differential bearings instead of the Nylon caged ones which are prone to wear more quickly than the metal caged ones... which are a tad noisier of course but stronger. In any event I renewed both with premium grade 6208 bearings with steel ball cages and no further undue noises. Any gearbox will soon become noisy without lubricant.

All the Rover 220, 420, 620 and later 820 turbos were fitted with the TorSen ( Torque Sensing ) Differential. They work well for most driving conditions.

By the way, contrary to popular belief, it is possible to drift a front wheel drive car ... again ... not recommended ... if you get my drift...
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Edited by MGJohn on Tuesday 3rd July 12:04

[E38Ross]

you mean it had a gearbox leak and wasn't attended to

[MGJohn]

E38Ross said:

you mean it had a gearbox leak and wasn't attended to

That is a possibility. No trace of a leak when there's nowt inside the box to leak out.

That was ten years ago now. The few used cars I've bought since I've always drained the gearbox to check there's sufficient in there and the right stuff. Glad I did, another car I did that to since had a problem gearbox which I fixed. Vacuuming the interior a little later I discovered a Chitty from Santa Pod under the driver's seat showing a respectable time down their 1/4 mile run... with next to no lubricant in the poor car's gearbox!

Any bluddy wonder.

EDIT to add @ 12.29 :#

This gearbox is originally a Honda design from the days of the Honda-ARGroup partnership. The differential seals are easily damaged by heavy handed work when servicing the car ~ changing a split CV-Joint boot etc. Thus, whenever I refurbish one of these gearboxes, I always fit a pair of these OE Differential - Driveshaft seals :~



Sorted.. no more leaks ...
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Edited by MGJohn on Tuesday 3rd July 12:29

[NoodleSmythe]

MGJohn said:

That is a possibility. No trace of a leak when there's nowt inside the box to leak out.

That was ten years ago now. The few used cars I've bought since I've always drained the gearbox to check there's sufficient in there and the right stuff. Glad I did, another car I did that to since had a problem gearbox which I fixed. Vacuuming the interior a little later I discovered a Chitty from Santa Pod under the driver's seat showing a respectable time down their 1/4 mile run... with next to no lubricant in the poor car's gearbox!

Any bluddy wonder.

EDIT to add @ 12.29 :#

This gearbox is originally a Honda design from the days of the Honda-ARGroup partnership. The differential seals are easily damaged by heavy handed work when servicing the car ~ changing a split CV-Joint boot etc. Thus, whenever I refurbish one of these gearboxes, I always fit a pair of these OE Differential - Driveshaft seals :~



Sorted.. no more leaks ...
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Edited by MGJohn on Tuesday 3rd July 12:29

I think we have the same kitchen worktop.

[MGJohn]

NoodleSmythe said:

I think we have the same kitchen worktop.

Shuuuush! Don't tell her indoors...
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