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Guvernator
2,837 posts
35 months
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Crusoe said: wonder if there is the same alarm blind spot on LHD cars, assume there would be but maybe it is just a UK (and other rhd) problem? Can't seem to find any issues with cars stolen under similar circumstances in europe but just keep getting linked to the uk story. I have read but don't know for definate that LHD cars do not have this issue. Apparently some guys in the US have done experiments and the alarm sensor appears to offer proper coverage of ODB port on LHD cars. The reason the RHD cars have this problem is because BMW decided NOT to produce a new alarm sensor specifically for RHD cars due to cost cutting. If this is true it's another dropped ball on the part of BMW I'm afaid.
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carinaman
3,535 posts
42 months
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Any news on this? Any recall? Anymore Beemers stolen using this method?
I was thinking about this as a friend has a three series and had been finding it unlocked in the mornings at two separate addresses.
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Steffan
6,221 posts
98 months
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There is another thread on PH which seems to contain a fair contribution of details.
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hussein
37 posts
92 months
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TOM500
277 posts
93 months
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Had my 535d nicked like this on Monday. Gutted.
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jbi
5,390 posts
74 months
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TOM500 said: Had my 535d nicked like this on Monday. Gutted. have BMW still not issues a "fix" for this yet?
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bertie
5,690 posts
154 months
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jbi said: TOM500 said: Had my 535d nicked like this on Monday. Gutted. have BMW still not issues a "fix" for this yet? Yes, my X5 was updated a couple of months ago.
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Gmail
4 posts
5 months
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Hi, Im thinking of buying a used bmw (2007) from a private dealer, is it possible that the another fob could be copied by previous owner or the dealer himself and after I purchase it it could get stolen, is something like that possible? (I dont fully trust private dealers)
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bertie
5,690 posts
154 months
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Gmail said: Hi, Im thinking of buying a used bmw (2007) from a private dealer, is it possible that the another fob could be copied by previous owner or the dealer himself and after I purchase it it could get stolen, is something like that possible? (I dont fully trust private dealers) No, you can't copy a fob. The issue here was adding e new fob onto the car, not copying fobs. Obviously if you don't get both fobs, that can keep one...
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ZesPak
Original Poster
11,662 posts
66 months
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bertie said: No, you can't copy a fob.
The issue here was adding e new fob onto the car, not copying fobs.
Obviously if you don't get both fobs, that can keep one... Well, couldn't "they" have just "added" a third one in advance?
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bertie
5,690 posts
154 months
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ZesPak said: Well, couldn't "they" have just "added" a third one in advance? Oh yes, if they have the kit, which is clearly not difficult to get, and if the car hasn't had the software updated. But if you've got an original key, you can add a new key to any car. If the seller fails to give you all the keys, it's always an issue no matter what the car.
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gt350
20 posts
4 months
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Only just seen this video because it was mentioned on Wikipedia. Absolute scum bags!
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CraigyMc
5,269 posts
106 months
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bertie said: ZesPak said: Well, couldn't "they" have just "added" a third one in advance? Oh yes, if they have the kit, which is clearly not difficult to get, and if the car hasn't had the software updated. But if you've got an original key, you can add a new key to any car. If the seller fails to give you all the keys, it's always an issue no matter what the car. The software update BMW are using to "rectify" this only affects the window. I have talked to two dealerships this week on the topic. C
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bertie
5,690 posts
154 months
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CraigyMc said: The software update BMW are using to "rectify" this only affects the window.
I have talked to two dealerships this week on the topic.
C Sorry, I don't understand??
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CraigyMc
5,269 posts
106 months
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bertie said: CraigyMc said: The software update BMW are using to "rectify" this only affects the window.
I have talked to two dealerships this week on the topic.
C Sorry, I don't understand?? There's been discussion of a number of potential things BMW are doing to shore up the security on their cars. One is a fix to stop it being so easy to wind a window down without the correct key. Another is a fix to stop it being so easy to register new keys without an original key being present. In my dealings with BMW this week, I've found that they are doing the first fix from these. Actually changing the car so it cannot program a new key without the original one being present is not something they (the dealer service department staff) know about. C
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Scuffers
10,505 posts
144 months
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CraigyMc said: There's been discussion of a number of potential things BMW are doing to shore up the security on their cars.
One is a fix to stop it being so easy to wind a window down without the correct key.
Another is a fix to stop it being so easy to register new keys without an original key being present.
In my dealings with BMW this week, I've found that they are doing the first fix from these. Actually changing the car so it cannot program a new key without the original one being present is not something they (the dealer service department staff) know about.
C so a complete cop-out then.... stunning.
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bertie
5,690 posts
154 months
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CraigyMc said: There's been discussion of a number of potential things BMW are doing to shore up the security on their cars.
One is a fix to stop it being so easy to wind a window down without the correct key.
Another is a fix to stop it being so easy to register new keys without an original key being present.
In my dealings with BMW this week, I've found that they are doing the first fix from these. Actually changing the car so it cannot program a new key without the original one being present is not something they (the dealer service department staff) know about.
C My X5 was update last October, and the fix I was informed about was the removal of the ability to add keys over the diagnostics without and original key.
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EddieFelson
1,035 posts
84 months
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bertie said: My X5 was update last October, and the fix I was informed about was the removal of the ability to add keys over the diagnostics without and original key. So what happens if you lose the original key?
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carinaman
3,535 posts
42 months
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As Thatcham didn't recategorise these cars in light of these vulnerabilities are they now having to create some new, ultra sooper dooper, mega secure category for these BMWs that have been issued with the fix?
As a customer, especially used, how are people supposed to identify the new ultra sooper dooper secure BMWs from the ones that haven't had this 'fix'?
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carinaman
3,535 posts
42 months
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'Approved used BMW, with yes we ensure all BMW approved used cars have the key fob vulnerability upgrade, or we pay your insurance excess when it gets nicked'?
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