RE: Damon Hill against 80MPH speed limit
Discussion
You can't just ban new drivers from the motorway, it would be quite hard to implement.
Motorway driving should be included in learning lessons but after they have mastered 30mph/40mph roads. Can't be letting them on a motorway after only doing 10,15 lessons. Which happens at the moment after they have passed their test.
Saying that, I went straight onto the motorway when I passed my test. Maybe leaner drivers need motorway rules drummed into them when doing their lessons? Stick to the left hand lane as much as possible being the main point here.
Motorway driving should be included in learning lessons but after they have mastered 30mph/40mph roads. Can't be letting them on a motorway after only doing 10,15 lessons. Which happens at the moment after they have passed their test.
Saying that, I went straight onto the motorway when I passed my test. Maybe leaner drivers need motorway rules drummed into them when doing their lessons? Stick to the left hand lane as much as possible being the main point here.
CraigMST said:
You can't just ban new drivers from the motorway, it would be quite hard to implement.
Why would it be different than banning new car drivers from towing big trailers? Mind you, I still think it should be possible to get ANPR cameras to issue automatic points and/or fines for tailgating - if you pass two cameras in a row within two seconds of the same car in front of you, you get an instant three points? That'd solve a lot of the problem.
ETA: You could use them to issue fines for poor lane discipline too.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 3rd July 09:39
Sorry to go against the masses here but IMO he's wrong. The vast majority of road users can, and do, travel quite happily and safely above 70. It isn't that often that I see particularly bad driving on the motorway.
I'd suggest it's at lower speeds, in town etc, that critical faculties trend to go astray more often.
I'd suggest it's at lower speeds, in town etc, that critical faculties trend to go astray more often.
DrTre said:
Sorry to go against the masses here but IMO he's wrong. The vast majority of road users can, and do, travel quite happily and safely above 70. It isn't that often that I see particularly bad driving on the motorway.
I'd suggest it's at lower speeds, in town etc, that critical faculties trend to go astray more often.
I agree, I see a few idiots on the roads but not that many.I'd suggest it's at lower speeds, in town etc, that critical faculties trend to go astray more often.
Whenever they ask Hill he goes on about a ten year old Golf but the interviewer never asked what he rides. I bet it's not a Honda C90.
bencollins4 said:
I don't think may people on here get kicks out of driving on motorways.
Exactly, I prefer to spend as little time as possible on them, hence why a 55 limit would be soul destroying.Although if you read the actual transcript then it's pretty obvious it's a lazy journo picking an out of context line to create a big headline.
I believe he has a point, actually more than one, but, as is usually the case, media put a negative slant on things with a touch of selective word and meaning twisting.
Not for twenty years now, but, I probably had/have accumulated more 'speeding' endorsements than most here on PH, mainly on two as well as four wheels. Note speeding, not to be confused with dangerous or without due care. There's the difference. Cameras 'catch' speeders and cut saving fewer Police Patrol cars means bad and dangerous driving I see almost daily now is rife and few are brought to book. However, the speeding stats and revenue ticks the boxes for the bearded sandal wearers in the Public sector who look after roadusers interest ...
... and justifies their jobs for life.
I'm someone who regularly exceeded 100mph on our roads and Motorways when it was both legal and safe to do so. Hard to adjust when the overall NSL was introduced on a temporary basis. Our roads and Motorways were near empty back then. Very few massive trucks and vans. Goods were still distributed about the place though as there were railheads in all major towns and cities as well as many in more remote parts of the country. So, how did the nation manage ?... quite well actually.
Move on forty plus years and the sheer individual size, weight of vehicles and huge volume density increase of stuff on UK roads today is extremely stressful for everybody. Be in no doubt about that. Failure to appreciate that is a danger in itself. Many obviously do not appreciate that from my observations. Far too many folks stressed up to the eyeballs chasing their own tails about the place. Next time you're stopped in one of those holdups radio alerts report daily on many major roads and motorways, have a look around you at the other drivers. Stressed up to the eyeballs ... enjoying Motorway travel.
These things are connected. That stress and its effects invariably means that the reason for your miles long traffic hold up is a direct result of these same conditions and some poor sod or sods has come unstuck up at the front.
Unless you experienced those far away road conditions it will be difficult for some here to ever understand how so much better the driving experience was then.
When my employment required much motorway travel, even back in the 1970-80s, it was apparent then to me what the effect of trainloads of stuff on our roads would have. I wrongly underestimated just how things would eventually progress to the scenario on our roads today.
"Did a Police patrol car poodling along at 70 really move over and use a hand signal to wave you by Dad?"
"Yes, son on more than one occasion."
Youngsters today, don't know theyze born ...
Those we entrust will this nation's well being still believe growth is the answer to the current scenario. Yeah right ... Growth...
Not for twenty years now, but, I probably had/have accumulated more 'speeding' endorsements than most here on PH, mainly on two as well as four wheels. Note speeding, not to be confused with dangerous or without due care. There's the difference. Cameras 'catch' speeders and cut saving fewer Police Patrol cars means bad and dangerous driving I see almost daily now is rife and few are brought to book. However, the speeding stats and revenue ticks the boxes for the bearded sandal wearers in the Public sector who look after roadusers interest ...
... and justifies their jobs for life.I'm someone who regularly exceeded 100mph on our roads and Motorways when it was both legal and safe to do so. Hard to adjust when the overall NSL was introduced on a temporary basis. Our roads and Motorways were near empty back then. Very few massive trucks and vans. Goods were still distributed about the place though as there were railheads in all major towns and cities as well as many in more remote parts of the country. So, how did the nation manage ?... quite well actually.
Move on forty plus years and the sheer individual size, weight of vehicles and huge volume density increase of stuff on UK roads today is extremely stressful for everybody. Be in no doubt about that. Failure to appreciate that is a danger in itself. Many obviously do not appreciate that from my observations. Far too many folks stressed up to the eyeballs chasing their own tails about the place. Next time you're stopped in one of those holdups radio alerts report daily on many major roads and motorways, have a look around you at the other drivers. Stressed up to the eyeballs ... enjoying Motorway travel.
These things are connected. That stress and its effects invariably means that the reason for your miles long traffic hold up is a direct result of these same conditions and some poor sod or sods has come unstuck up at the front.
Unless you experienced those far away road conditions it will be difficult for some here to ever understand how so much better the driving experience was then.
When my employment required much motorway travel, even back in the 1970-80s, it was apparent then to me what the effect of trainloads of stuff on our roads would have. I wrongly underestimated just how things would eventually progress to the scenario on our roads today.
==========================================
"Did a Police patrol car poodling along at 70 really move over and use a hand signal to wave you by Dad?"
"Yes, son on more than one occasion."
==========================================
Youngsters today, don't know theyze born ...
Those we entrust will this nation's well being still believe growth is the answer to the current scenario. Yeah right ... Growth...
This isn't news, he was whining about the same thing last November. It's because he's caught the ecomentalist bug. See if you can read the following article without wanting to punch him:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/green-motoring...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/green-motoring...
Boydie88 said:
Classic bit of wordplay there.
He never actually says he wants a 55 limit.
But he's spot on imo.
Agreed. Sadly a quick browse through the comments on any national newspaper website report relating to speed/driving/limits shows that most people are too stupid to leave their house, let alone drive a car at 70mph He never actually says he wants a 55 limit.
But he's spot on imo.
SS7
Edited by shoestring7 on Tuesday 3rd July 10:36
I actually feel that an 80MPH limit would benefit everyone. Modern cars are more than capable of handling those speeds and times have changed from the drum break era.
Granted, driving at a higher speed requires more conentration, this is something thats required and also happens naturally. You will find that as speed increases the amount of attention people put in to their driving will increase with it.
Granted, driving at a higher speed requires more conentration, this is something thats required and also happens naturally. You will find that as speed increases the amount of attention people put in to their driving will increase with it.
The most sensible thing would be to replicate the german autobahn behavior
of ca. 1985. (before dying trees invented the green party or vias versa)
Just let everyone go at the speed that he or she can safely achieve and
make the driver resposible for his action, so that everyone has to concentrate
on driving, not on texting or smoking or what ever.
Thus achieving a totally different state of mind.
martin 480 turbo
of ca. 1985. (before dying trees invented the green party or vias versa)
Just let everyone go at the speed that he or she can safely achieve and
make the driver resposible for his action, so that everyone has to concentrate
on driving, not on texting or smoking or what ever.
Thus achieving a totally different state of mind.
martin 480 turbo
i take what hill says pretty seriously as he always comes across as a thoroughly decent & sensible bloke.
however, i think there is a call for increasing the speed limit, just not around peak times & or busy areas.
80 mph past heathrow on the m25? maybe at 3 in the morning!
80 mph past lancaster on the way through cumbria on the m6? that would be bimbling!
would a variable motorway speed limit be hard to introduce? perhaps costly but probably not as difficult as trying to educate your average motorist as to some new rules. and that i feel would be the crux of the problem.
the simple fact is that unless you're driving like an imbecile the police won't stop you if you're driving your car at an indicated 80mph unless its in rain, you're tailgating or perhaps you're kids are using the backseat as a playground.
sensible drivers will always drive to the conditions so rather than focusing on increasing or decreasing the motorway speed limits we should be spending more money on educating & punishing the poor drivers that are out there.
IMHO
however, i think there is a call for increasing the speed limit, just not around peak times & or busy areas.
80 mph past heathrow on the m25? maybe at 3 in the morning!
80 mph past lancaster on the way through cumbria on the m6? that would be bimbling!
would a variable motorway speed limit be hard to introduce? perhaps costly but probably not as difficult as trying to educate your average motorist as to some new rules. and that i feel would be the crux of the problem.
the simple fact is that unless you're driving like an imbecile the police won't stop you if you're driving your car at an indicated 80mph unless its in rain, you're tailgating or perhaps you're kids are using the backseat as a playground.
sensible drivers will always drive to the conditions so rather than focusing on increasing or decreasing the motorway speed limits we should be spending more money on educating & punishing the poor drivers that are out there.
IMHO
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