SMART Car engine rebuild
Discussion
rswift said:
Thank you, they're not cheap !
698cc engine 12 month 12k mile warranty fully fitted inc. new turbocharger unit £ 2,358.62 ..... (thats the recon unit, they do a new engine for about double the price) !
Get a quote from Mark (could be £900-£1250) provided the current engine is able to be rebuilt.698cc engine 12 month 12k mile warranty fully fitted inc. new turbocharger unit £ 2,358.62 ..... (thats the recon unit, they do a new engine for about double the price) !
rallycross said:
rswift said:
Thank you, they're not cheap !
698cc engine 12 month 12k mile warranty fully fitted inc. new turbocharger unit £ 2,358.62 ..... (thats the recon unit, they do a new engine for about double the price) !
Get a quote from Mark (could be £900-£1250) provided the current engine is able to be rebuilt.698cc engine 12 month 12k mile warranty fully fitted inc. new turbocharger unit £ 2,358.62 ..... (thats the recon unit, they do a new engine for about double the price) !
Jordan Rich said:
I would be looking at what else (bigger) i could fit into it personally. they fly as they are, but if you were to find an accident damaged GSXR or something...
Look at this;http://www.smartuki.com/
Great, but 8k for the subframe conversion, plus the engine !
I think the bike engines ones are horrible to drive! There's a good MR2 engine converted one and someone is doing a 1600 16v cit engine one on the TRN (the roadster.net - the main all knowing roadster forum).
The early 600cc fortwo's were the dodgy engined ones. You have to be careful as there are a few owners that treat them as a boggo car and don't adhere to the oil service intervals! Every 7000miles or every year, what ever comes first! We generally do a A service then C, then A, C,A etc rather than a B. some owners are religious and do a C every time. Ours has 50k miles on it, it's remapped by S2Smarts lowered and goes very very well! It is after all, a baby Elise!
Servicing depends where you are based. Watford, highly recommended is rob @ S2Smarts (who also races a Fortwo!), Big Performance is good too. Elsewhere, Mark @ fudgesmart and Sam @ ForSmart are mobile indies and very recommended. Engine rebuild or replacement are circa a grand, as essentially you've got to take the back end off the car and subframe off.
The early 600cc fortwo's were the dodgy engined ones. You have to be careful as there are a few owners that treat them as a boggo car and don't adhere to the oil service intervals! Every 7000miles or every year, what ever comes first! We generally do a A service then C, then A, C,A etc rather than a B. some owners are religious and do a C every time. Ours has 50k miles on it, it's remapped by S2Smarts lowered and goes very very well! It is after all, a baby Elise!
Servicing depends where you are based. Watford, highly recommended is rob @ S2Smarts (who also races a Fortwo!), Big Performance is good too. Elsewhere, Mark @ fudgesmart and Sam @ ForSmart are mobile indies and very recommended. Engine rebuild or replacement are circa a grand, as essentially you've got to take the back end off the car and subframe off.
[quote=PaulG40] It is after all, a baby Elise!
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Either you have never driven a Smart or you have never driven an Elise, either way you are deluded (
) if you think one of these horrible things (Smart) is a baby Elise (I've got a Smart for 2 and a Vx220 here at the moment and have previously had several Smarts including a Brabus Roadster (110) hence the comment.
(would much rather be in a good G40 than any smart!)
quote]
Either you have never driven a Smart or you have never driven an Elise, either way you are deluded (
) if you think one of these horrible things (Smart) is a baby Elise (I've got a Smart for 2 and a Vx220 here at the moment and have previously had several Smarts including a Brabus Roadster (110) hence the comment.(would much rather be in a good G40 than any smart!)
Edited by rallycross on Tuesday 3rd July 23:42
rallycross said:
PaulG40 said:
It is after all, a baby Elise!
quote]
Either you have never driven a Smart or you have never driven an Elise, either way you are deluded if you think one of these horrible things is good to drive.
You seem to have an unfounded amount of hate towards these. I'm pretty sure when questioned before none of your reasoning was based on hugely much either. Have you actually driven a Roadster?quote]
Either you have never driven a Smart or you have never driven an Elise, either way you are deluded if you think one of these horrible things is good to drive.
I've driven many sports cars and I think the Roadster is a very good one. One you need some seat time with to get the most from it. But undeniable capable and good.
300bhp/ton said:
You seem to have an unfounded amount of hate towards these. I'm pretty sure when questioned before none of your reasoning was based on hugely much either. Have you actually driven a Roadster?
I've driven many sports cars and I think the Roadster is a very good one. One you need some seat time with to get the most from it. But undeniable capable and good.
I've had lots of the older Smarts 4-2 (hence the hatred for them) so its not unfounded.I've driven many sports cars and I think the Roadster is a very good one. One you need some seat time with to get the most from it. But undeniable capable and good.
The Roadster is a different thing I agree (apart from the horrible gearbox) and I've only had one so far (a low mileage Brabus) and it was sold after a couple of days so didnt spend much time driving it.
I just remember it being spoiled by the lazy gearbox and the fact it leaked water inside, even though it was only a couple of yrs old and < 10,000 miles. But was fun to drive otherwise and with a better drive train could have been great - they are fun/light/economical/quirky so should be praised for that.
My dislike for Smarts is from the For 2 models, mainly due to the number of engine's I've had to have rebuilt after selling them (which may not be such an issue for the Roadster model even though its the same engine).
CoolHands said:
so you had one that dropped a valve, yet you've bought another one that needs a new engine. And no-ones asked the obvious...
Correct, welcome to the world of people who buy cheap cars for fun & a hobby !I bought it because;
a) It was cheap and badly advertised
b) it looks like it could be a fun project, both to fix & to drive
c) If I fix it, don't like it I'm unlikely to loose money on it
d) If I get fed up of it I can probably sell as is for more than I paid for it
Either way, quite happy with my latest purchase. It's not my only car !
hora said:
Jordan Rich said:
I would be looking at what else (bigger) i could fit into it personally. they fly as they are, but if you were to find an accident damaged GSXR or something...
I was thinking this. Would a PSA/Toyota 1.0 3cyl fit
Riley Blue said:
Had thought about one as a commuter car for the O/H - not any more.
I ran a 698cc one for 5 years and apart from a broken front coil spring as a result of a pot-hole it never missed a beat.Maintenance is key with these engines, I checked the oil weekly and had regular oil changes (with the correct oil) carried out.
rallycross said:
I've had lots of the older Smarts 4-2 (hence the hatred for them) so its not unfounded.
The Roadster is a different thing I agree (apart from the horrible gearbox) and I've only had one so far (a low mileage Brabus) and it was sold after a couple of days so didnt spend much time driving it.
I think some people will never like the box, it does take getting used to and you have to drive with it, not against it. Personally I think it's dreadful in town and part throttle normal driving, but works very well when you are at WOT and flat out on country lanes. You've still got to learn it, but it's not really any slower than the L-77 manual 5 speeder in my Triumph. Certainly on the up shifts it's more than quick enough to not be an issue. And the down shifts are easily predictable, of which you use them as part of the braking process into a corner.The Roadster is a different thing I agree (apart from the horrible gearbox) and I've only had one so far (a low mileage Brabus) and it was sold after a couple of days so didnt spend much time driving it.
IMO, with such short gearing the Roadster has, I think a normal H pattern manual would be horrid, you'd never stop pushing the clutch pedal. And for me at least, the gearbox is one of the vehicles best attributes and makes it even more fun... but only when pressing on. When going to Tesco's it's tolerable rather than dreadful. And don't try and rush a downshift from 4th to 2nd, you need to think about it and go 4th - 3rd - 2nd. It'll be quicker and don't leave it dithering while it thinks what to do.
rallycross said:
I just remember it being spoiled by the lazy gearbox and the fact it leaked water inside, even though it was only a couple of yrs old and < 10,000 miles. But was fun to drive otherwise and with a better drive train could have been great - they are fun/light/economical/quirky so should be praised for that.
My lives outside 24/7, I have no garage. Had it nearly 2 1/2 years now and I suspect circa 30,000 miles. Handling is very good, very darty and precise turn in. Steering is a little light and not on par with an Elise, but better than 99% of most hatchbacks. The electric PAS turns off above 20mph. Nicely balanced and oversteer is available when wanted, even more so after a remap where you can increase HP at the wheels by around 25% @ 3500rpm and improvements to PEAK power as well.I admit the Elise is a better sports car, I'd never deny this. But the Roadster is IMO an easier car to live with daily and it is genuinely a good sports car and an entertaining drive.
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