Not even a wheelie bin can do that.

Do you actually have anything to back this up? BTW in many parts of the US you can buy pump E85, you can't in the UK.


Really? Sure you don't need an eye test

Car and Driver, which has for the last 20 years IIRC, ranked the Mustang above the Camaro, gave the nod to the Camaro because the Mustang was too harsh!

Also, while the interior of the Camaro is certainly better than the 90s one, its nowhere near as 'nice' as the Mustang at least in standard form and I don't anticipate the souped up versions being any different.

I recently drove an Audi S5, and though a lot slower and nowhere near as fun to drive as the Americans, there were other aspects that I think would be more relevant to day to day driving. The interior is really really nice, and you just get a feeling of goodwill sitting inside it compared to the Mustang/Camaro which wouldn't be as fun if you were doing the daily commute stuck in traffic 50% of the time.

Of course, you're only young once and a 30 year old doesn't look that much of a prat (compared to a 50 yr old) in a loud Camstang so one of those is my next next car

They keep saying how much better the new Mustang interior is but I just don't see it. I far prefer the original 2005 dash.

That one lacks the option of a nav screen and also just looks more plasticky than the current one

Yes, comparing a car with no warranty and heavy modification to a brand new stock car makes complete sense.

That's the badger. I'd still take the ZL1 but I like the idea of a charged v8.

I've watched a few vids including Monkey's and the concencous is that the Camaro is the better car (especially concerning brakes) it just lacks silly power figure (in itself a crazy notion).

Tempted by a 2013 model with touchscreen and rear camera....

Yes, yes I do. I personally went to the USA with my handy NPL traceable calibrated calorimeter and took statistically diverse samples from fuel tanks across the contiguous states.*

I don't care what you can buy, you can buy hypergolic hydrazine propellant if you want. It's what people do buy that matters.


Well you tell me:

Chris pictured earlier next to a 1973 Morris Marina door and a seat from my mum's Grattan catalogue of the same year.


And a 1982 Fidelity in-car entertainment system.


Or it may be one of Amstrad's designs, not sure:



I understand your allegiance to US cars, and muscle cars in general. These cars have many attractive qualities in terms of street presence and power (and plain old value for money at home in the US) but the cabin surfaces and materials aren't even in the same century as Ford Europe's designs, let alone the more expensive brands.




* None, some or all of this may actually not be true.

Hmmm.....something tells me "clueless knob".

I'm over in Canada on holiday and there's loads of new muscle cars on the roads here. They all look awesome and sound amazing. The rumble from the exhausts of the V8 engines is pure music. There's a lot of the originals still around as well and they look every bit as stunning now as when they were new. I'd love to have one of each model from Ford, Dodge, Chevrolet , Pontiac and use them all. They are just stunning.