RE: C63 Black Series: The perfect road car?

RE: C63 Black Series: The perfect road car?

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405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Yeah, I love the idea but that has just a bit too much "Max Power" about it.

marcosgt

11,018 posts

176 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Does nothing for me.

M.

sagarich

1,210 posts

149 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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They had one of these at Goodwood on the weekend, it sounds awesome!

MBK

28 posts

217 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Less the awesome aggressive styling I'd describe a recent similar drive in a standard C63 in much the same terms. I'd love a go in one of these! I'm sure Chris could give us more insight into the difference between the standard car and the Black. We liked the ride quality of the C63, how easy it was to drive in town/traffic and what a beast it becomes out of town, great stat up noise and command online system too. We didn't buy one though because we live in Wales, it rains a lot and I like the certainty of 4wd - yes I know the downsides of less tactility etc. I wonder what Chris might have said if it were a wet run through Wales?

On a related note I saw a C63 Black Series being given the beans across the A4059 about 2/3 months ago (I'm pretty sure it was 5th Gear filming) it looked and sounded stunning. You will surely be seen and heard if you drive one of these and I will give you a very large thumbs up if I see you enjoying our local roads!

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

183 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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405dogvan said:
Yeah, I love the idea but that has just a bit too much "Max Power" about it.
Max Power is a boot spoiler on a 1 litre Saxo. Nothing on this car is out of place, and certainly won't look it as one passes you sideways in a cloud of tortured ex-rubber.

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

183 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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marcosgt said:
Does nothing for me.
Even if you don't appreciate the specific car, you have to appreciate top-tier manufacturers still willing to do things like this.

C7 JFW

1,205 posts

219 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Just awesome. I wonder how many people read this and knock it to one side under some comment about practicality.

It's the balance between a road and a track car that makes cars like this so incredibly appealing.

Unsure what NVH means when relating to the GT-R, not very..?

marcosgt

11,018 posts

176 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Gridl0k said:
marcosgt said:
Does nothing for me.
Even if you don't appreciate the specific car, you have to appreciate top-tier manufacturers still willing to do things like this.
Not really. It's not 'engineering' it's bitza building.

These cars cost Mercedes nothing to put together and they charge mugs a fortune for them.

All Aluminium cars are something to 'appreciate' as the technology will filter down in time, this is just a hot-rod.

I'm sure they're great fun to drive, but so are lots of cars. If I wanted something really sporty, I wouldn't buy a big Merc saloon with no rear seats (Or do they put them back in these days?).

M.

_rubinho_

1,237 posts

183 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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C7 JFW said:
Unsure what NVH means when relating to the GT-R, not very..?
Noise Vibration and Harshness; it's an automotive industry term used to describe the ambient quality of the cabin.

I can't get a Black Series, but I'll be running a standard C63 AMG Coupe next year. Can't wait... biggrin

Luca Brasi

885 posts

174 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Awesome car, looks incredibly chav though. Rather have a CLK63 Black cloud9

Dagnut

3,515 posts

193 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Looks stupid but..does the perfect road car look stupid?

The wing in not necessary and surely the standard C63 with the AMG performance pack wouldn't be far off...2 extra seats and doesn't look stupid

kambites

67,543 posts

221 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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This is available with four seats, isn't it?

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

183 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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marcosgt said:
All Aluminium cars are something to 'appreciate' as the technology will filter down in time, this is just a hot-rod.
Nothing wrong with that! You'd rather live in a world where only Americans make them?

(I'm slightly biased)

marcosgt

11,018 posts

176 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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kambites said:
This is available with four seats, isn't it?
Makes more sense with them, you can fold them flat for track days! biggrin

M

Dave Hedgehog

14,545 posts

204 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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HeMightBeBanned said:
Massive want!
/\ This

The only current road car I would want over an Audi RS as a real world weapon

looks bloody amazing


perfection biggrin

SpunkyM

250 posts

244 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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kambites said:
Only at a given engine speed.
Here we go again.... Think of it this way. On my mountain bike, in the lowest gear I can develop lots of torque at the back wheel. If I had a very very low first gear, I could probably muster 500 lbft (assuming things don't snap)!! Impressive eh?

But how much power could I develop? Not much because power is that 500 lbft multiplied by wheel rpm. In a gear that low, my wheel rpm is fack all - maybe 10rpm. So my power is low even though my torque is very high.

If I could apply the same 500 lbft and make the back wheel turn at thousands of rpm.... well then there you have big power.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

266 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Make mine a touring please...

Chris71

21,536 posts

242 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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_rubinho_ said:
I'll be running a standard C63 AMG Coupe next year. Can't wait...
Lucky sod! biggrin

AWG

855 posts

156 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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kambites said:
Noise, Vibration and Harshness.
Big fan of all three!

Foxy81

15 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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SpunkyM said:
Here we go again.... Think of it this way. On my mountain bike, in the lowest gear I can develop lots of torque at the back wheel. If I had a very very low first gear, I could probably muster 500 lbft (assuming things don't snap)!! Impressive eh?

But how much power could I develop? Not much because power is that 500 lbft multiplied by wheel rpm. In a gear that low, my wheel rpm is fack all - maybe 10rpm. So my power is low even though my torque is very high.

If I could apply the same 500 lbft and make the back wheel turn at thousands of rpm.... well then there you have big power.
Thats not really true either is it...

In your example it is your legs that generate the force, the bike wheel is geared which multiplies the force you are applying, so the wheel rpm is governed by the gear ratio. Put 500lbft of torque onto the pedals in one gear and the wheel will spin at a certain rpm, if its a different gear the wheel rpm will be different, even if the force applied is the same.

Power in this case is simply a mathmatical formula, torque x engine revolutions, so an engine with a large amount of torque will make its power at lower revolutions than an engine with lower torque.

An engine that doesn't rev very high will never make as much power as one that has the same torque but revs higher, hence why a lot of diesel engines, despite large torque figures don't make huge peak power figures as they do not rev as high as a petrol engine, but at 1500rpm they are making more power than the petrol at the same rpm, making them more driveable and giving often better in gear acceleration ( dependant on gear ratios)