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soad

15,861 posts

45 months

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That's a mean looking beast!! smokin

bonecrusher

18 posts

30 months

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good to see the aussies building powerful cars but if you have ever driven there it is like seriously strict
with speed limits......

Riggers

1,841 posts

47 months

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Carfolio said:
kW is not "Aussie-speak" for fk's sake. It's the SI unit of power.
I know that, CF - and frankly I wish we used that and NM in the UK. It's merely an informal way of explaining that the vernacular unit of power measurement is KW... smile

Porkie

2,249 posts

110 months

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The G6E's are used as Cabs in Sydney. Quite a nice car to be sat in the back of I thought. Drivers seem to like them

burwoodman

1,226 posts

115 months

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There isn't a chance this car would do a sub 4 sec 62mph and at over £50K in New Zealand, try £60K here. A good car at 25% less. At this price point id expect better quality, less plastics.
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anything fast

869 posts

33 months

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No that is brutal, there would 100 % be a market for that here even if it was over 50k

fanatics were paying well over list price for the Focus RS500, so why the hell cant they bring a limited run over here?

LOOK MR FORD, PUMP IT UP TO 500BHP, CALL IT A FALCON RS, SELL 1000 UNITS HERE, AND IT WILL GIVE SOME MUCH NEEDED KUDOS TO THE NOW BORING BLUE OVAL!

I never thought I would look back and long for 1988, back then you could walk in to a Ford dealer and have your pic, a new XR2, XR3i, Escort RS Turbo, last of the 3dr Sierra Cosworths? Maybe an RS500 Cosworth or a the latest Sapphire Cosworth? heck you could have probably found an RS200 knocking around somewhere! call them what you like, but they were not BORING>>>

Ohhh happy days... idea

hammo19

732 posts

65 months

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I really really don't like European Fords - Dagenham should look to the USA and Oz to see how to design a decent car. This latest Falcon looks the business.

Carfolio

1,124 posts

50 months

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Riggers said:
I know that, CF - and frankly I wish we used that and NM in the UK. It's merely an informal way of explaining that the vernacular unit of power measurement is KW... smile
I guessed as much but thought my little rant poetic enough to post ;-)

dave stew

1,316 posts

36 months

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bonecrusher said:
good to see the aussies building powerful cars but if you have ever driven there it is like seriously strict
with speed limits......
Totally agree with this. My family has lived in Oz for 25 years and I have always been very conscious of the draconian speed policing when I've driven over there.

On a separate note, I managed to bag an XR8 and XR6 Ford press cars in '93 and '94. Thanks Ford!

BigCat74

5 posts

19 months

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As a Falcon XR6 owner myself I have to concede that the build quality (especially the interior) really does leave a lot to be desired but....I still love the car. Mine is a standard 4 litre twin cam inline 6 w/300hp with a 7000 redline.
The "Panther" looks Freaking Awesome (although personally I'd prefer a 500kW IL5 turbo)and there is no way in hell that you could get a Euro with similar performance figures here in New Zealand for anything less than $120000.

Lagerlout

1,037 posts

105 months

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Pointless owning a performance car in Australia unless you take it on track. It's a proper police state where you get sworn at/book thrown at you by the rozzers if you dare to exceed the speed limit by 10 kph or less. Don't get me started! wink

These cars (IMO) are a pile of poo and compared to a decade ago a pretty rare sight now even in Sydney, most people have gone Jap or Euro and want to drive diesels. The two worst cars I've ever driven were a Holden Commodore c. 2000 which simply didn't stop, and a early nineties Ford Fairlane which didn't stop didn't go and was the size of the Titanic. Pointless. Compared to UK cars they are big, roomy, and have grunt, so I can understand the attraction. Forget value for money though thanks to the strength of the Aussie dollar these days.

There is probably more call for these in the UK now as a novelty, problem is to support them properly Ford would have to commit funds to supporting the parts supply and that will incur proper big costs and not worth it for the numbers involved. Not a big shame in my opinion as there are plenty of massive engined European cars available second hand for not a lot of cash that are much more capable than these dinosaurs.

Just my 5p.

JackCarter

98 posts

20 months

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Falcons are certainly not the best built cars in the world, but they're not as bad as some would have you believe. They are generally pretty reliable and are certainly strong enough to cope with the harsh conditions we have here. I have owned six over the past 20 years.

The problem is they are designed and built on a shoestring budget for a very small market. Their engineering integrity is miles away from a Mercedes E Class for example. Anyway, we won't be having this argument in a few years time. I am certain this Falcon will be the last Aussie engineered RWD Ford. Some kind of Taurus/Mondeo thingy will replace it.

Bibbs

1,881 posts

79 months

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Lagerlout said:
Pointless owning a performance car in Australia unless you take it on track.

pretty rare sight now even in Sydney, most people have gone Jap or Euro and want to drive diesels.
I see plenty of hooning in Perth, and usually in these type of cars.
Out west it's still land of the V8 (usually a UTE, with personalised plate and bogan stickers in the window).

Colonial

9,728 posts

74 months

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Bibbs said:
I see plenty of hooning in Perth, and usually in these type of cars.
Out west it's still land of the V8 (usually a UTE, with personalised plate and bogan stickers in the window).
I'm in Newcastle so we get the mining money as well. And yep. You see that as well.

Small, blue hatch backs go unnoticed except when they go tearing past biggrin

I'm not a fan of Australian made cars. Poor quality. Always seems to be that rattle you can't track down, the whine of the diff going and the clunck of an antique spec transmission.

Bibbs

1,881 posts

79 months

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Colonial said:
I'm not a fan of Australian made cars. Poor quality. Always seems to be that rattle you can't track down, the whine of the diff going and the clunck of an antique spec transmission.
I've usually been Japanese (and then modded).

But there is something appealing about a big v8. Shame they never get the same horsepower stock as the yanks do.

BlackPrince

784 posts

38 months

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Are Aussie cars more shoddily made than American cars?

Actually I think I know the answer to that: when the Holden Monaro came over as the Pontiac GTO and the Holden Commodore as the Pontiac G8, the American press absolutely raved about them and how this new breed of rebadged Aussie car was the saviour of American cars.

Not sure about Fords though - can anyone w/ Aussie and American Ford experience compare say, the Ford Falcon and the Mustang in terms of quality and reliability?

Aused

272 posts

38 months

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Coming to a taxi rank near me soon!

I think that most Brits have a bit of a romantic notion about these cars (which if Ford Australia had half a business brain they would be capitalising on - they don't as evidenced by them basically being a state run enterprise now)

Ford Australia won't be around much longer so if you want one, be quick is my advice

Bibbs

1,881 posts

79 months

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Aused said:
I think that most Brits have a bit of a romantic notion about these cars (which if Ford Australia had half a business brain they would be capitalising on - they don't as evidenced by them basically being a state run enterprise now)
Hard when it's $60k here, so at the current exchange rate, 40k GPB. Then throw in Shipping, Duty, VAT etc.
Then the parts would all be very expensive when it breaks.

As I said in another thread about US muscle. The UK doesn't want these cars (look at the sales of the Monaro and the VXR8). They want them to exist so they can say 'bring it to the UK and I'd buy it', but the majority would then buy a new plate, poverty spec, BMW diesel to put on the drive.

Yellowtrophy

1 posts

11 months

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Bibbs said:
Hard when it's $60k here, so at the current exchange rate, 40k GPB. Then throw in Shipping, Duty, VAT etc.
Then the parts would all be very expensive when it breaks.

As I said in another thread about US muscle. The UK doesn't want these cars (look at the sales of the Monaro and the VXR8). They want them to exist so they can say 'bring it to the UK and I'd buy it', but the majority would then buy a new plate, poverty spec, BMW diesel to put on the drive.
...and then there are fuel prices to consider. Whilst we are paying A$1.16 per litre (about 76p) for unleaded here in Perth, prices are approaching twice that amount in the UK. All Commodores and Falcons are fitted with V6 or V8 engines, which are not really ecomomical on the UK's congested roads. Every man and his dog seems to 'need' a V8 here though (still not really sure why). I guess it is a status thing, especially for the young tradies...they'll practically bankrupt themselves to but a knackered 15-year-old Commodore simply so they can tell their mates they drive a V8. Very odd. It'll probably be crushed for hooning within a few weeks too!

We have a 2008 VE Commodore Omega (2nd one we've had, but the first was a home computer in the early 90's.....), and the build quality is OK, although I think the 4-speed auto box was first seen in Fred Flintstone's daily runabout. It is reliable though, and reasonably ecomonical. It is a nice looking car too. However, compare it to my other car (a 2008 Audi A4 Cabrio which I brought over from the UK), and the quality of materials, especially interior ones, are worlds apart. I've been in a few Falcons (taxis) too, and they're along the same lines as the Holden.

With the strong Aussie dollar, coupled with the high price of cars in general over here, and the sky-high rates for fuel in the UK, I don't think the market for these cars would justify the export hassle. There wouldn't be many spec changes needed (just changing speedometer readings, fitting a rear fog light and perhaps isofix), so it wouldn't be difficult....I just can't see it hapenning.

RobYob

79 posts

104 months

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Colonial said:
I'm not a fan of Australian made cars. Poor quality. Always seems to be that rattle you can't track down, the whine of the diff going and the clunck of an antique spec transmission.
Yes that ZF HP26 is a total POS isn't it, damned if I know why Jag and BMW tolerate it...rolleyes

I couple of years ago I got to try a Taurus SHO 3.5TT and it was pretty obvious why Detroit would never dare export Falcon, only the yanks could make a 350hp turbo sedan feel so slow and cumbersome with such a bl--dy awful interior.
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