RE: Chris Harris video: Driving the Pagani Huayra
Discussion
markcoznottz said:
It's obviously massively over torqued, it seems to spend most of its time sideways if full throttle is used. The boost is swelling the torque band to comical proportions. I can see why pagani used that engine, but twin turbo on a V12 is overkill?, no wonder it's fast, well once the tyres stop spinning that is. The car could maybe have done with 4 wheel drive but added weight etc. It's exactly what people thought it would be, pagani couldn't have put a shovel nose on it otherwise it would look like a Zonda, so they didn't and it looks, well, different.
could you just stop for a minute and think that maybe it was going sideways because it was being shot for a video!?I'm sure it is torque limited too. Why would they add 4wd, to make it heavier? I'm pretty sure in the vid he says its very easy to drive fast, you can switch the electronic bits off to do what you want.
jason61c said:
markcoznottz said:
It's obviously massively over torqued, it seems to spend most of its time sideways if full throttle is used. The boost is swelling the torque band to comical proportions. I can see why pagani used that engine, but twin turbo on a V12 is overkill?, no wonder it's fast, well once the tyres stop spinning that is. The car could maybe have done with 4 wheel drive but added weight etc. It's exactly what people thought it would be, pagani couldn't have put a shovel nose on it otherwise it would look like a Zonda, so they didn't and it looks, well, different.
could you just stop for a minute and think that maybe it was going sideways because it was being shot for a video!?I'm sure it is torque limited too. Why would they add 4wd, to make it heavier? I'm pretty sure in the vid he says its very easy to drive fast, you can switch the electronic bits off to do what you want.
markcoznottz said:
Could you adopt a less patronising tone?. The car is spinning up constantly, because of the power delivery, and The fact that he switches the tc off. He isn't provoking the car massively, it's laying big number 11's out of every corner, that's pure torque.
Perhaps you could adopt a less big-head know-it-all approach.The car is not 'massively overtorqued'.
The car is spinning up on a poor surface in 2nd gear with a high degree of lock on.
Surely that's the point of an involving Supercar drive?
Plenty of power for the keen driver to engage and exploit as he sees fit.
Power slides in tight stuff involving throttle control; opportunity to throttle adjust (with added active aeros) in the fast stuff. Powerful engine in tactile chassis for maximum driver enjoyment.
Not a lesson in physics and electronic science. Suit yourself.
I'll stick with the views of Messers Harris, Sutcliffe, Bovington, Metcalfe & Co.
ph123 said:
markcoznottz said:
Could you adopt a less patronising tone?. The car is spinning up constantly, because of the power delivery, and The fact that he switches the tc off. He isn't provoking the car massively, it's laying big number 11's out of every corner, that's pure torque.
Perhaps you could adopt a less big-head know-it-all approach.The car is not 'massively overtorqued'.
The car is spinning up on a poor surface in 2nd gear with a high degree of lock on.
Surely that's the point of an involving Supercar drive?
Plenty of power for the keen driver to engage and exploit as he sees fit.
Power slides in tight stuff involving throttle control; opportunity to throttle adjust (with added active aeros) in the fast stuff. Powerful engine in tactile chassis for maximum driver enjoyment.
Not a lesson in physics and electronic science. Suit yourself.
I'll stick with the views of Messers Harris, Sutcliffe, Bovington, Metcalfe & Co.
Maybe the above poster would rather him stick it in auto and bimble around Monaco to a backing track of Mozart or Brahms?
ph123 said:
markcoznottz said:
Could you adopt a less patronising tone?. The car is spinning up constantly, because of the power delivery, and The fact that he switches the tc off. He isn't provoking the car massively, it's laying big number 11's out of every corner, that's pure torque.
Perhaps you could adopt a less big-head know-it-all approach.The car is not 'massively overtorqued'.
The car is spinning up on a poor surface in 2nd gear with a high degree of lock on.
Surely that's the point of an involving Supercar drive?
Plenty of power for the keen driver to engage and exploit as he sees fit.
Power slides in tight stuff involving throttle control; opportunity to throttle adjust (with added active aeros) in the fast stuff. Powerful engine in tactile chassis for maximum driver enjoyment.
Not a lesson in physics and electronic science. Suit yourself.
I'll stick with the views of Messers Harris, Sutcliffe, Bovington, Metcalfe & Co.
markcoznottz said:
Well after having a love affair with the Zonda this will take some getting used to. By the way didn't the donor car for this engine , the AMG black slg, have problems with too much torque. The engine is dominating the drive, but in power delivery rather than noise, a la Zonda. Viewing on an iPhone but does the undercar shot look like the inside of the rear tyre is down to the canvas, or Is it just a trick of the light.
If you watched the vid i'm pretty sure he says its a bespoke unit for the car? No review has said that the engine dominates the drive, except for your expert review from watching a journalist's video.
It does seem like you've confused playing for the camera with some over-engined cobra kit car. Not to mention all the work that's gone into make the car so useable.
jason61c said:
If you watched the vid i'm pretty sure he says its a bespoke unit for the car?
No review has said that the engine dominates the drive, except for your expert review from watching a journalist's video.
It does seem like you've confused playing for the camera with some over-engined cobra kit car. Not to mention all the work that's gone into make the car so useable.
Sorry but you and a few others are guilty of the other extreme, sound like you've swallowed the brochure. What about it marks it as 'usable'? And don't say having electronic systems makes a car more usable because it doesn't. It's 2.35 metres wide for heaven's sake, makes a Range Rover look svelte. No review has said that the engine dominates the drive, except for your expert review from watching a journalist's video.
It does seem like you've confused playing for the camera with some over-engined cobra kit car. Not to mention all the work that's gone into make the car so useable.
'Easier to drive for rich clients who don't do manual' and 'usable' are not the same thing. We should be bemoaning the death of the manual because of the lazy, not congratulating it on using a not-very-cutting-edge gearbox. The Enzo was doing what the Huayra is now 10 years ago (except it looked better, has far better pedigree, a better engine), not quite sure why it's being heralded as some kind of breakthrough.
jason61c said:
markcoznottz said:
Well after having a love affair with the Zonda this will take some getting used to. By the way didn't the donor car for this engine , the AMG black slg, have problems with too much torque. The engine is dominating the drive, but in power delivery rather than noise, a la Zonda. Viewing on an iPhone but does the undercar shot look like the inside of the rear tyre is down to the canvas, or Is it just a trick of the light.
If you watched the vid i'm pretty sure he says its a bespoke unit for the car? No review has said that the engine dominates the drive, except for your expert review from watching a journalist's video.
It does seem like you've confused playing for the camera with some over-engined cobra kit car. Not to mention all the work that's gone into make the car so useable.
markcoznottz said:
It's the AMG black engine but with pagani spec blowers. Insane. Has the art of discussion been lost on ph?. I don't believe he is showboating, the car appears to struggle for traction out of tight corners, looks fun though.
I don't understand are you saying that if the car had less power it would some how be better? You do realise a lot of enthusiasts find power over steer to be a fun thing?interloper said:
markcoznottz said:
It's the AMG black engine but with pagani spec blowers. Insane. Has the art of discussion been lost on ph?. I don't believe he is showboating, the car appears to struggle for traction out of tight corners, looks fun though.
I don't understand are you saying that if the car had less power it would some how be better? You do realise a lot of enthusiasts find power over steer to be a fun thing?markcoznottz said:
It's the AMG black engine but with pagani spec blowers. Insane. Has the art of discussion been lost on ph?. I don't believe he is showboating, the car appears to struggle for traction out of tight corners, looks fun though.
Sorry, I only meant my points as a discussion.I don't buy into what the press say, I've worked on similar TV shows so understand what they say and why they say it. I'd prefer the car to have some rev happy N/A engine but next to that a blown AMG designed lump isn't a bad choice.
dinkel said:
Where the Spyker has just that little too much bling to look a drivers car . . . this Huarya looks in perfect balance: and with the decent soundbyte to match.
The problem is that most Pagani owners appear to be colour blind or just blind - Google Image Search 'Pagani interior' and be prepared to be horrified - it's like a technocolour yawn in there...When 'ALL YELLOW LEATHER' is one of the more tasteful options - you know you're in "the taste of an Arab" country - "make it loud and cover it with expensive things and then paint another bit in GREEN"
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