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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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Negative Creep said: Is it one of those things that companies do to shout about how "green" they are whilst creating vast amounts of pollution in their construction? Probably. Like when they throw out millions of plastic cups (because they kill seals you know) and then bring in millions of cardboard ones which required a 11,000 mile plane journey? Or when they put in traffic calming on their business park in the name of a 'green measure' which actually just leaves cars running for longer than they need to?
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paranoid airbag
1,301 posts
28 months
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Fantuzzi said: I care about over fishing, but I dont blame people who fish for fun, its not them thats causing the damage.
Same with cars,
people just who want to go from a to b should drive 2 cylinder eco cars, as the amount of 458s, m3, elises, make up such a small percentage of cars, they are only a drop in the ocean.
Petrolhead cars are in such a minority, getting rid off big v8s is a waste of time, enviromental should just pressure big companies to make more economical cars that make up the masses, pretty much what they are doing now with smaller turbo units. Id be happy to see all ford focus with 0.75litre and 1 litre turbo 3cyl engines for the norms, then a ST and RS model for petrol heads.
Think how many cars you see with engines bigger than say 2 litre in a day, not many. Well unless your in London...
I think a 'normal' (eg someone who dosnt care about driving) person should care a little, as the difference between a smaller engine and a bigger one isnt a big deal to them, the same as me buying a dishwasher. Why shouldnt I by the eco one with less washing power, it gets the job done fine, Im not in a hospital or a resturant where the odd misty glass would be a problem.
But me, no worries about it. heh, actually a pretty good way of putting it.
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Fastdruid
1,207 posts
21 months
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Nope. Personal transport is all of 10% of global CO2 production and we are only a relatively small island. Even if everyone in the UK stopped driving tomorrow it would make no noticeable difference to global CO2.
If you really care then get the snip and don't have any pets. Far 'worse' than a car or bike. Oh and don't buy anything shipped from abroad (ships can and do burn the dirtiest of fuel).
Don't forget too that for all the bleating of the greens there are *far* worse environmental things to worry about than CO2.
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Fantuzzi
1,426 posts
15 months
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paranoid airbag said: heh, actually a pretty good way of putting it. Thanks. I dont see how penalizing people with big engines will help, given that there are'nt 1 Ferrari 458 to every 3 fiat 500. Id like to see stats on the amount of cars with say engines bigger than 2.5litres as a percentage of road cars in the UK and world wide. UK I reckon it would be 1 percent max, given in 2008 the mean car engine size was 1.751cc.
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Fantuzzi
1,426 posts
15 months
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For those interested cars first registerd with co2 outputs in 2011 over 200 was only 3.2percent.
Thats tiny.
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otolith
19,343 posts
73 months
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We don't have kids. There is no way of living profligately enough to undo that.
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shirt
14,286 posts
70 months
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no. it would be massively hypocritical if i did given my location, profession and hobbies
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Motorrad
3,868 posts
56 months
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The topic is a non sequitur. It's a steaming pile of s  te posited on a false premise. So no I don't feel guilty about my choice of car or anything else about the way I live.
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Toaster Pilot
7,644 posts
27 months
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I'm currently in the USA where I'm paying $3.45 a gallon for "gas" for my 3.5 V6 rental car.......... Can't see them giving a f  k any time soon.
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g3org3y
6,769 posts
60 months
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Happy82 said: Real environmental issues do concern me, however religous environmentalism is a load of bulls  t so I feel no guilt about driving. ^This. Given the environmental impact of India and China's industry our contribution is negligible by comparison. Easier to tax though. 
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bennyboysvuk
2,001 posts
117 months
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A friend of mine writes for a green online paper, however his day job is a flight attendant! Every time he goes to work, the 747 he works on burns 300 tons of fuel getting across the Atlantic and back.
I think you can rest easy.
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bull996
1,442 posts
78 months
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bqf said: Nope, couldn't give a f  k This. I actually think its all b  ks and that Mans impact on bad gasses is pretty much nil. I had this view pretty much confirmed (in my eyes) when that Icelandic volcano went off and discovered that it produced/released more C02 into the atmosphere than man had EVER produced-each day it was erupting. So what we do is neither here nor there.
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V88Dicky
4,569 posts
52 months
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Blib said: OP. What a strange post. Either sell the cars or quit your job. 'Problem' solved. HTH.  No need to quit your job, OP. I'll give it a few years for the whole stinking edifice of green eco-mentalism and sustainable bullcrap jobs to come tumbling down. Anyone know any solar power companies I can invest in? 
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Kawasicki
1,512 posts
104 months
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billywhizzzzzz said: I'm a little nervous about using the environmental word on here. I'm a petrol head through and through - the most obsessive i've ever met - first word was car, and have had caterhams, elises, e30 m3s, alpinas, e46 m3s as daily drivers. I now have a s4 v8 avant and a land rover defender (plus a couple of old classic BMWs tucked away). However, i'm involved at quite a high level professionally and academically in strategic environmental design on a large scale and and incredibly ashamed of my petrolhead tendencies... I always park around the corner from wherever anyone would see me, even hire crappy small cars occasionally to avoid being seen in mine. I've tried to be sensible - even bought a new 330d m sport touring trying to have the best of both worlds but ended up being even more ashamed of that as it was perceived as just naff and flash - and perceived even more negatively by clients etc than my v understated S4...! I'm a complete pathetic hypocrite - I live in a low energy house, work in an ecological/environmental sector, read the guardian, try to cycle everywhere, but... just am OBSESSED with cars around which I have TERRIBLE guilt!!! Does anyone else on this form have trouble reconciling their love of cars...? Anyone else give two hoots about the environment? Yes, I care about the environment. I don't worry about carbon dioxide though. I would, however, be ashamed to admit I was involved in any business making money from the CAGW scam.
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swerni
19,832 posts
79 months
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I have 4 cars and 3 push bikes. That makes me almost carbon neutral Seems like a good excuse to buy a new bike. 
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Jasandjules
45,354 posts
98 months
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billywhizzzzzz said: Does anyone else on this form have trouble reconciling their love of cars...? Anyone else give two hoots about the environment? I care very much about the environment. I am concerned that it is being damaged by mining for minerals to make solar panels, I am concerned we are killing millions of sharks and ruining the eco system, I am concerned we are destroying the rainforests and ruining the habitats of thousands of creatures. But I care not one jot about CO2 - food for trees? Why worry about that? IT has no significant impact upon our planet.
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swerni
19,832 posts
79 months
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Jasandjules said: billywhizzzzzz said: Does anyone else on this form have trouble reconciling their love of cars...? Anyone else give two hoots about the environment? I care very much about the environment. I am concerned that it is being damaged by mining for minerals to make solar panels, I am concerned we are killing millions of sharks and ruining the eco system, I am concerned we are destroying the rainforests and ruining the habitats of thousands of creatures. But I care not one jot about CO2 - food for trees? Why worry about that? IT has no significant impact upon our planet. I sort of agree. I also get the fact that creating CO2 from fossil fuels does create an imbalance. However doing 3 -4k a year in a V8 creates far less impact than doing 20k in a pious.
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V88Dicky
4,569 posts
52 months
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swerni said: I sort of agree. I also get the fact that releasing CO2 from fossil fuels addresses the imbalance. Fixed that for you. 
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swerni
19,832 posts
79 months
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V88Dicky said: swerni said: I sort of agree. I also get the fact that releasing CO2 from fossil fuels addresses the imbalance. Fixed that for you.  phew thanks not sure what came over me 
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Nuclear Biscuit
197 posts
70 months
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Fantuzzi said: UK I reckon it would be 1 percent max, given in 2008 the mean car engine size was 1.751cc. Jeez, that's not even half an engine! 
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