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philmots
2,500 posts
129 months
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Iirc leather is standard.
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kambites
32,857 posts
90 months
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philmots said: Iirc leather is standard. The UK configurator shows cloth as standard (although it uses a fancy name for it). ETA: Ah we're sort of both right. The M-Sport comes with cloth, the normal car with leather. How odd. I hadn't even noticed there was a non-M-Sport model; my browser doesn't like BMW's website much.  I wonder what proportion of people will want the body-kit?
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mjb1
661 posts
28 months
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Japanese oranges are better than German apples. No wait, apples are better, or was it oranges?
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SSBB
506 posts
25 months
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There is a good video on youtube (that I can't find now) with one of the Subaru engineers. Essentially admits that rather than spend money on making the car more powerful (which it could be) they spent the money engineering a bespoke platform with a very low CoG.
The reasoning was that the power can always be upgraded in future. The chassis cannot. This is where the 1 series is permanently compromised. However, I can't see the average M135i buyer wanting to start messing about with the powertrain and void warranty. They want a fast, refined RWD car off the shelf. M135i provides that solution.
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kambites
32,857 posts
90 months
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I'd imagine a good few 135is will end up with the boost turned up at some point in their lives. Perhaps not typically in the hands of the original owner though.
I guess we'll know a lot more about how much tuning Toyota designed for when we see whether the after-market supercharger suppliers leave the standard internals in or feel the need up upgrade them to handle the extra power.
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scarble
1,760 posts
26 months
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kambites said: I guess we'll know a lot more about how much tuning Toyota designed for when we see whether the after-market supercharger suppliers leave the standard internals in or feel the need up upgrade them to handle the extra power. But it's an EJ so even if they stuffed in cheap rods and stuff, EJs in general tend to be good for looooads more power. I wonder if an EJ25 fits? is the 25 block bigger than the 20? Cosworth do an EJ25 all balanced and stuff with their "good for 500hp" rods. Only £25k  RCM have taken delivery of a BRZ too (two time Brit time attack champs with a ~700-1000 "Gobstopper" Impreza), rumour that there will be SC TRD version (confirmed yet?), so big power is only round the corner. 
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DanDC5
6,909 posts
36 months
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scarble said: But it's an EJ so even if they stuffed in cheap rods and stuff, EJs in general tend to be good for looooads more power. I wonder if an EJ25 fits? is the 25 block bigger than the 20? Cosworth do an EJ25 all balanced and stuff with their "good for 500hp" rods. Only £25k RCM have taken delivery of a BRZ too (two time Brit time attack champs with a ~700-1000 "Gobstopper" Impreza), rumour that there will be SC TRD version (confirmed yet?), so big power is only round the corner. The engine code Subaru use for this engine is actually FJ, supposed to be very little similar with the EJ lump.
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dele
765 posts
63 months
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kambites said: It's had good reviews yes, but not exactly rave ones. Besides the previous generation also had "good reviews" and to me it just felt decidedly rubbish to drive.
Time and time again people tell me that BMWs handle wonderfully and that you can't tell their engines are turbocharged because they're so responsive; and time and time again I drive the new "wonder BMW" and find that the engine is a laggy lump of crap and the chassis is an over-sprung, under-damped mess.
I suppose I just don't "get" BMW any more. The chassis bit I can relate to, the engine bit I cannot and frankly, I find that quote/statement a laggy lump of crap
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kambites
32,857 posts
90 months
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dele said: The chassis bit I can relate to, the engine bit I cannot and frankly, I find that quote/statement a laggy lump of crap I think different people have different levels of sensitivity to things like turbo lag, but I've driven both versions (or perhaps I should the first two versions, there's probably more now?) of the x35i engine and I found them pretty awful. The engine in the old 130i was lovely (although I'd prefer a cable throttle); the 135i was fine for cruising, but absolutely horrible when pushing on. I've yet to drive a turbocharged engine that I would consider to even be adequate in a "fun" car. BMW's are amongst the best, but they still feel terrible to me.
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the-photographer
828 posts
45 months
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kambites said: I'd imagine a good few 135is will end up with the boost turned up at some point in their lives. Perhaps not typically in the hands of the original owner though.
I guess we'll know a lot more about how much tuning Toyota designed for when we see whether the after-market supercharger suppliers leave the standard internals in or feel the need up upgrade them to handle the extra power. Edit wrong link, back soon
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scarble
1,760 posts
26 months
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DanDC5 said: The engine code Subaru use for this engine is actually FJ, supposed to be very little similar with the EJ lump. I should have known that! My understanding, the head is all(most?) Toyota with twin port injection? Not sure about valves (Subaru use a "tumble" valve thing). If it's the same sort of dimensions and mounts though... I'm really torn on whether it's a good idea to go for big power on the GT though, I mean, power is good, power very good.. but the joy of just carrying speed and keeping a little NA motor singing as you ride the crests and twists of a good B road...  It better have proper steering. None of this artificial weighting where you feel it switch on, proper steering.
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vinnie83
2,139 posts
62 months
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kambites said: Rather different cars to my mind - for the wife I'd take the BMW; for me it'd be the Toyota.
I haven't driven this generation 1-series but the previous one drove like the lardy family car that it is and
Really? I thought my old 123d handled like a go-kart!
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DanDC5
6,909 posts
36 months
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scarble said: I should have known that! My understanding, the head is all(most?) Toyota with twin port injection? Not sure about valves (Subaru use a "tumble" valve thing). If it's the same sort of dimensions and mounts though... I'm really torn on whether it's a good idea to go for big power on the GT though, I mean, power is good, power very good.. but the joy of just carrying speed and keeping a little NA motor singing as you ride the crests and twists of a good B road... It better have proper steering. None of this artificial weighting where you feel it switch on, proper steering. One good thing about it is that it's a base for tuning. If you want more power the chassis has been engineered to take more than it has so the scope to upgrade will always be there. IMO that's one of the best things about the whole idea of the car.
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Rawwr
12,610 posts
103 months
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vinnie83 said: I thought my old 123d handled like a go-kart! Really?
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Captain Muppet
5,886 posts
134 months
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SSBB
506 posts
25 months
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Rawwr said: vinnie83 said: I thought my old 123d handled like a go-kart! Really? I have never driven any car, road or track that handled like a go-kart. If I bought a BMW and it was like a go-kart I would not be impressed. I can only imagine what an over-sprung rear-braked mess it would be 
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scarble
1,760 posts
26 months
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SSBB said: I have never driven any car, road or track that handled like a go-kart. If I bought a BMW and it was like a go-kart I would not be impressed. I can only imagine what an over-sprung rear-braked mess it would be The new cliche should be "it handled like a 106"
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vinnie83
2,139 posts
62 months
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Captain Muppet said: OK OK you know what I mean! It had great grip, admittedly it didn't do to well over bumpy surfaces (which is why I sold it - far too uncomfortable) but heavy steering certainly not in my experience. I did like to drive enthusiastically and I never managed to spin it. The understeer was no worse than any modern RWD car since most have it dialled in for safety - if you want understeer, try my 997 turbo! I'm no racing driver, but I thought that it handled great - mine was a 123d hatch M-sport with 18" wheels.
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DanDC5
6,909 posts
36 months
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vinnie83 said: if you want understeer, try my 997 turbo! Well I'm not a huge Porsche fan but it'd be rude to turn this down. Keys please
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StottyZr
4,071 posts
32 months
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vinnie83 said: Captain Muppet said: OK OK you know what I mean! It had great grip, admittedly it didn't do to well over bumpy surfaces (which is why I sold it - far too uncomfortable) but heavy steering certainly not in my experience. I did like to drive enthusiastically and I never managed to spin it. The understeer was no worse than any modern RWD car since most have it dialled in for safety - if you want understeer, try my 997 turbo! I'm no racing driver, but I thought that it handled great - mine was a 123d hatch M-sport with 18" wheels. I agree with Vinnie. After driving a stripped out 106Gti for a couple of months I'm back in the 123d. My driving style has altered and I treat it more like the 106 (chuck it into corners wheres before I wouldn't have dared) it is a precise and well balanced car. Its obviously not a "drivers car" as such, being a diesel rep mobile... But the handling doesn't deserve to be scoffed at.
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