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Colonial
9,748 posts
74 months
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How many of those complaining live in an urban environment and walk with their children alongside roads with buses etc constantly passing?
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JackCarter
98 posts
20 months
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Down here in Aussie land it has been illegal for the last three years in some states. "Smoking in a car with a child under the age of 16 is now against the law. The Public Health (Tobacco) Act 2008 created a new offence from 1 July 2009 of smoking in a car with a child under 16 years of age in the vehicle. A $250 on the spot fine applies to the driver and any passenger who breaks the law and this is enforced by NSW Police." http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/resources/publichealt...
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yonex
2,863 posts
37 months
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Colonial said: How many of those complaining live in an urban environment and walk with their children alongside roads with buses etc constantly passing? Yes consider the urban environment before commenting on stupid people poisoning their children.
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heebeegeetee
19,534 posts
117 months
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smartphone hater said:  Do you have any statistics that show how many people have been killed or injured in accidents caused directly due to smoking while driving? I reckon there must be as many good statistics as there was about mobile phones. I find it astounding that talking to people while driving a car is a bad thing, but burning your upholstery, burning your clothes, flicking burning tabs at the traffic behind and putting your own desires before what's best for your own children is all ok. I don't have any stats, but I did once sit in a 40 tonne lorry that had five cigarette burns all in the testicle area of the driver's seat. So no, I don't have any stats and I don't need any. All that is called for is sheer bloody common sense.
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smartphone hater
788 posts
12 months
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heebeegeetee said: smartphone hater said: Do you have any statistics that show how many people have been killed or injured in accidents caused directly due to smoking while driving? I don't have any stats, I didn't think so.
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heebeegeetee
19,534 posts
117 months
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smartphone hater said: I didn't think so. Nice selective quoting that. Never fails to win an argument on the internet. You can rest safely knowing that the 40 tonner behind you doesn't have a glowing ember between the drivers legs because heebeegeetee couldn't be arsed to look for any stats. 
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matthias73
1,673 posts
19 months
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djfaulkner said: colonel c said: Should have thrown a can of Red Bull at the open window. Waste of a can shirley? Or do you mean an empty can? Its the done thing. You should have plenty of cans in your car anyway, right?
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otolith
19,374 posts
73 months
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You can often tell when someone is on the phone by their driving. I've never seen the same from someone who is smoking.
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heebeegeetee
19,534 posts
117 months
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otolith said: You can often tell when someone is on the phone by their driving. I've never seen the same from someone who is smoking. Blimey, you've never seen a stream of debris thrown from a car, followed by the lighted tab? I'm sick to death of lit fags being thrown back at me. As I like to drive open cars it can be a real issue. It's the thought that people who care so damn less about others cannot possibly make a thoughtful driver. If you don't care about your kids you're certainly not going to care about the well-being of others.
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bodhi
2,294 posts
98 months
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heebeegeetee said: Blimey, you've never seen a stream of debris thrown from a car, followed by the lighted tab?
I'm sick to death of lit fags being thrown back at me. As I like to drive open cars it can be a real issue.
It's the thought that people who care so damn less about others cannot possibly make a thoughtful driver. If you don't care about your kids you're certainly not going to care about the well-being of others. I would say that if you're getting hit by cigarettes coming from the car in front you're driving too close. Far more dangerous than smoking whilst driving if you ask me ( which isn't dangerous, at all).
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NobleGuy
7,030 posts
84 months
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bodhi said: heebeegeetee said: Blimey, you've never seen a stream of debris thrown from a car, followed by the lighted tab?
I'm sick to death of lit fags being thrown back at me. As I like to drive open cars it can be a real issue.
It's the thought that people who care so damn less about others cannot possibly make a thoughtful driver. If you don't care about your kids you're certainly not going to care about the well-being of others. I would say that if you're getting hit by cigarettes coming from the car in front you're driving too close. I doubt it's got much to do with him driving too close. Might be more to do with the fact that some scummy turd is chucking fags out of their car...
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otolith
19,374 posts
73 months
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heebeegeetee said: otolith said: You can often tell when someone is on the phone by their driving. I've never seen the same from someone who is smoking. Blimey, you've never seen a stream of debris thrown from a car, followed by the lighted tab? I'm sick to death of lit fags being thrown back at me. As I like to drive open cars it can be a real issue. It's the thought that people who care so damn less about others cannot possibly make a thoughtful driver. If you don't care about your kids you're certainly not going to care about the well-being of others. Yes, and I've also seen smoke coming out of the window - but I have not seen their driving affected in the way that the driving of someone on the phone often is. I think people who have never smoked often fail to understand that most of what a smoker does with a cigarette is as automatic as scratching an itch - it isn't taking them any extra mental effort to smoke while driving. Given the choice of sharing the roads with people who are smoking in their car or with smokers who are impatient and irritable through nicotine withdrawal, I'll take the former.
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Mike Oxbig
40 posts
10 months
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Hasbeen said: The do gooders attack smoking, the greenies attack coal & nuclear power, some twit here thinks all "smoking related" deaths are caused by cigarettes, not diesel buses, & your teachers have brainwashed most of you to believe this cr4p.
Please don't look down, you just might notice the ring through your nose, with the lead attached. Much better you see past your nose. If you saw it with that ring attached, you might rebel against your betters & that would be a pity. You'd loose your excuse to stick your nose, ring & all into others business. Have you been smoking crack?
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SWoll
4,426 posts
127 months
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pocketfull said: The second hand smoke thing is a load of b  ks anyway and scare tactics, it's never been proven and something tells me if it could have been it would have by now. If youre all this bothered about a bit of second hand smoke I don't understand why would you ever let your kids out the house. Don't get me wrong I completely understand from a smell and "setting a good example" point of view (and that is why I wouldn't smoke in front of my kids), but those things are definitely no-one else's business 'cept the parent. Some peeps in here are actually far worse than those road safety loons who'd have us drive everywhere at 15mph and bolt speed cameras to every lamppost. What an astonsihing lot of b ks. There is a huge amount of proof that passive smoking is at least equally as harmful as smoking directly and the only people who refute these claims are tobacco companies (and it would appear idiots). I wonder why that might be... Hasbeen said: The do gooders attack smoking, the greenies attack coal & nuclear power, some twit here thinks all "smoking related" deaths are caused by cigarettes, not diesel buses, & your teachers have brainwashed most of you to believe this cr4p.
Please don't look down, you just might notice the ring through your nose, with the lead attached. Much better you see past your nose. If you saw it with that ring attached, you might rebel against your betters & that would be a pity. You'd loose your excuse to stick your nose, ring & all into others business. Christ, I do have to wonder how you have got to the age you have with so little common sense. I think you'll find that it's your generation who were brainwahed into believeing that smoking was totally acceptable and not a health risk. Love the 'betters' comment BTW, I can only assume I've touched a nerve with my earlier post? OOI, is your definition of 'betters' people who know the difference between 'loose' and 'lose' or just people of pensionable age in general? shunaphil said: You are all missing the point that the most dangerous thing about smoking with a child in the car is the CAR. It is a FACT that hundreds of children are killed directly as a result of the motor car each year. This cannot be allowed to continue, ergo all cars must be banned immediately. If it saves just one childs life then it is worth it surely? How can any responsible parent put their child in such a dangerous environment as a car - they are utterly selfish b ds. Don't they know the risks? Only a completely thick t t would be unaware how dangerous it was to travel in a car. Every time I see an adult with a child in their car I look at them with the absolute contempt they deserve. Total scum. We must draw a line in terms of what is acceptable and what is not. Once that line is drawn any right thinking society keeps moving the line until the whole population is as useless, risk averse, sheep-like, rule-driven and generally as pathetic as the bulk of UK society today, and that happily accepts officialdom and the government dictating as many aspects of their daily lives as possible, so that they do not have to think for themselves. Please read your comment again and see if you can understand why in the context of this topic it's about as relevant as the "walking down the pavement with bus fumes" comments. Staggering...
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Justayellowbadge
29,451 posts
111 months
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JackCarter said: Down here in Aussie land it has been illegal for the last three years in some states. "Smoking in a car with a child under the age of 16 is now against the law. The Public Health (Tobacco) Act 2008 created a new offence from 1 July 2009 of smoking in a car with a child under 16 years of age in the vehicle. A $250 on the spot fine applies to the driver and any passenger who breaks the law and this is enforced by NSW Police." http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/resources/publichealt...Seems like a bloody good idea to me.
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deltashad
2,743 posts
66 months
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When I was a child, a long time ago, my father used to smoke with my brother and I in the back. He refused to put the windows down. It was horrible, couldn't breathe properly.
Smoking with kids in the car should be banned.
I smoke, and occasionally smoke in the car. It does not affect my driving. I would never smoke around my daughter or with her in the car.
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SWoll
4,426 posts
127 months
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deltashad said: When I was a child, a long time ago, my father used to smoke with my brother and I in the back. He refused to put the windows down. It was horrible, couldn't breathe properly.
Smoking with kids in the car should be banned.
I smoke, and occasionally smoke in the car. It does not affect my driving. I would never smoke around my daughter or with her in the car. As a smoker of 20 years with 2 kids I agree with you entirely. Quite why anyone would argue the contrary is genuinely beyond me. Justayellowbadge said: JackCarter said: Down here in Aussie land it has been illegal for the last three years in some states. "Smoking in a car with a child under the age of 16 is now against the law. The Public Health (Tobacco) Act 2008 created a new offence from 1 July 2009 of smoking in a car with a child under 16 years of age in the vehicle. A $250 on the spot fine applies to the driver and any passenger who breaks the law and this is enforced by NSW Police." http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/resources/publichealt...Seems like a bloody good idea to me. 
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Apache
38,243 posts
153 months
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otherman said: Well, the anti smoking lobby have got to you lot big style. Its just a lot of hysteria. so, you'd happily smoke in the car whilst taking your kids to school?
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yonex
2,863 posts
37 months
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A smoker said said: Well, the anti smoking lobby have got to you lot big style. Its just a lot of hysteria. Hysteria, you have to be kidding me? http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.htmlNot the longest report but an interesting read. I am sure the pro-smokers will come up with a link to something proving that there are no ill effects of inhaling carcinogens and its all nonsense epa report said: The Risks to Children are Widely Acknowledged
The conclusion that secondhand smoke causes respiratory effects in children is widely shared and virtually undisputed. Even the tobacco industry does not contest these effects in its media and public relations campaign.
EPA estimates that every year, between 150,000 and 300,000 children under 1-1/2 years of age get bronchitis or pneumonia from breathing secondhand tobacco smoke, resulting in thousands of hospitalizations. In children under 18 years of age, secondhand smoke exposure also results in more coughing and wheezing, a small but significant decrease in lung function, and an increase in fluid in the middle ear. Children with asthma have more frequent and more severe asthma attacks because of exposure to secondhand smoke, which is also a risk factor for the onset of asthma in children who did not previously have symptoms.
Other Risks
Secondhand smoke contains strong irritants and sensitizers and many adults, as well as children, suffer irritation and other acute effects whenever they are exposed to secondhand smoke. In addition, there is mounting evidence that exposure to secondhand smoke can have an effect on the cardiovascular system, although the EPA report does not address this issue. Basically the report is nicely summed up by 'Secondhand Smoke is a Preventable Health Risk'. If you cant see that I fear you are a bit lost.
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NobleGuy
7,030 posts
84 months
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Hasbeen said: ...some twit here thinks all "smoking related" deaths are caused by cigarettes, not diesel buses, & your teachers have brainwashed most of you to believe this cr4p. Oh dear... pocketfull said: The second hand smoke thing is a load of b ks anyway and scare tactics, it's never been proven and something tells me if it could have been it would have by now. If youre all this bothered about a bit of second hand smoke I don't understand why would you ever let your kids out the house. Oh dear oh dear... 
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