Smoking with your kids in the car?
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it is bad, based on your own set of values and beliefs - which is why it's not up to you to judge as they clearly have a different set of values.
it isn't illegal (yet) and imo it should never be illegal. it comes down to choice, and we as humans shouldn't have our right to choose removed.
I do not agree with smoking in cars with children and i would never do it. I would turn my nose up at someone else doing it, but wouldn't try to educate them on their failings as a parent to protect their children.
two days ago i was behind a battered up X reg Galaxy with the rear window tinted (badly) and covered in baby on board stickers, there was also a strong smell of skunk emanating from the vehicle which did annoy me.
there were baby seats but because the SUV (Scum utility Vehicle) was a fair bit higher i couldn't see if they were occupied. :-/
it isn't illegal (yet) and imo it should never be illegal. it comes down to choice, and we as humans shouldn't have our right to choose removed.
I do not agree with smoking in cars with children and i would never do it. I would turn my nose up at someone else doing it, but wouldn't try to educate them on their failings as a parent to protect their children.
two days ago i was behind a battered up X reg Galaxy with the rear window tinted (badly) and covered in baby on board stickers, there was also a strong smell of skunk emanating from the vehicle which did annoy me.
there were baby seats but because the SUV (Scum utility Vehicle) was a fair bit higher i couldn't see if they were occupied. :-/
Pixelpeep said:
it is bad, based on your own set of values and beliefs - which is why it's not up to you to judge as they clearly have a different set of values.
it isn't illegal (yet) and imo it should never be illegal. it comes down to choice, and we as humans shouldn't have our right to choose removed.
Sorry, but that's a lot of bit isn't illegal (yet) and imo it should never be illegal. it comes down to choice, and we as humans shouldn't have our right to choose removed.
ks. Human rights issue? Right to choose? Seriously? How about the rights of the child who is being subjected to toxic fumes due to having parents etc. who don't give a s
t?SWoll said:
Pixelpeep said:
it is bad, based on your own set of values and beliefs - which is why it's not up to you to judge as they clearly have a different set of values.
it isn't illegal (yet) and imo it should never be illegal. it comes down to choice, and we as humans shouldn't have our right to choose removed.
Sorry, but that's a lot of bit isn't illegal (yet) and imo it should never be illegal. it comes down to choice, and we as humans shouldn't have our right to choose removed.
ks. Human rights issue? Right to choose? Seriously? How about the rights of the child who is being subjected to toxic fumes due to having parents etc. who don't give a s
t?
SWoll said:
Sorry, but that's a lot of bks.
Human rights issue? Right to choose? Seriously? How about the rights of the child who is being subjected to toxic fumes due to having parents etc. who don't give a st?
so what, you make sitting a child in front of a tv for 6 hours a day illegal?ks. Human rights issue? Right to choose? Seriously? How about the rights of the child who is being subjected to toxic fumes due to having parents etc. who don't give a s
t?you make it illegal to let your children cross the road?
you make it illegal to let your kids play with anyone whos parents have a criminal record?
in this day and age rather than educating people as to the dangers we seem to prefer to slap a law on it. its crazy, you cant keep protecting people from being stupid - natural selection!
if someone is too stupid to know smoking will harm their children then i look forward to seeing them down A&E when out of the blu their kid has an asthma attack at 4am.
Just to be clear, i dont think its right smoking with kids, i would never do it, im just saying that 'banning' something doesn't stop it, educating people better would.
Smokers are selfish bds, it comes with the territory. However smoking with children in the car shows a total lack of brains. It amazes me that people would smoke in front of their children in any situation, its just breeding the next generation of unhealthy, fat blobs that the NHS has to take care of.
ds, it comes with the territory. However smoking with children in the car shows a total lack of brains. It amazes me that people would smoke in front of their children in any situation, its just breeding the next generation of unhealthy, fat blobs that the NHS has to take care of.yonex said:
Smokers are selfish bds, it comes with the territory. However smoking with children in the car shows a total lack of brains. It amazes me that people would smoke in front of their children in any situation, its just breeding the next generation of unhealthy, fat blobs that the NHS has to take care of.
Who the fds, it comes with the territory. However smoking with children in the car shows a total lack of brains. It amazes me that people would smoke in front of their children in any situation, its just breeding the next generation of unhealthy, fat blobs that the NHS has to take care of.k are you to say were selfish bds? That's a pretty broad statement to make. If I remember rightly Bob Geldof smokes, is he selfish?!This whole topic belongs on mums net,not a motor ethusiast forum.
Pixelpeep said:
SWoll said:
Sorry, but that's a lot of bks.
Human rights issue? Right to choose? Seriously? How about the rights of the child who is being subjected to toxic fumes due to having parents etc. who don't give a st?
so what, you make sitting a child in front of a tv for 6 hours a day illegal?ks. Human rights issue? Right to choose? Seriously? How about the rights of the child who is being subjected to toxic fumes due to having parents etc. who don't give a s
t?you make it illegal to let your children cross the road?
you make it illegal to let your kids play with anyone whos parents have a criminal record?
in this day and age rather than educating people as to the dangers we seem to prefer to slap a law on it. its crazy, you cant keep protecting people from being stupid - natural selection!
if someone is too stupid to know smoking will harm their children then i look forward to seeing them down A&E when out of the blu their kid has an asthma attack at 4am.
Just to be clear, i dont think its right smoking with kids, i would never do it, im just saying that 'banning' something doesn't stop it, educating people better would.
ks.Do you really believe the examples you have given to strengthen your argument are in any way comparible to intentionally poisoning a child with toxic fumes?
People don't smoke around their children because they aren't 'educated' to know the harm it causes, even the most moronic of parents are well aware of the health issues, they do it because they are selfish and irresponsible.
IMO the only thing that might make people like this change their attitude would be to fine/prosecute them. Do this and they might reconsider their actions in future.
Oh, and your comment about seeing them down A&E. Nice...
brentmeister said:
yonex said:
Smokers are selfish bds, it comes with the territory. However smoking with children in the car shows a total lack of brains. It amazes me that people would smoke in front of their children in any situation, its just breeding the next generation of unhealthy, fat blobs that the NHS has to take care of.
Who the fds, it comes with the territory. However smoking with children in the car shows a total lack of brains. It amazes me that people would smoke in front of their children in any situation, its just breeding the next generation of unhealthy, fat blobs that the NHS has to take care of.k are you to say were selfish bds? That's a pretty broad statement to make. If I remember rightly Bob Geldof smokes, is he selfish?!This whole topic belongs on mums net,not a motor ethusiast forum.
Bob Geldof comment =
And if you don't like the topic don't read/post on it. Doing so is in no way mandatory.
Edited by SWoll on Thursday 19th July 11:57
SWoll said:
Do you really believe the examples you have given to strengthen your argument are in any way comparible to intentionally poisoning a child with toxic fumes?
I'm not after strengthening my argument, im not having an augment, im giving an opinion - if you don't agree i can accept that, and i won't try and force you to agree with me.SWoll said:
People don't smoke around their children because they aren't 'educated' to know the harm it causes, even the most moronic of parents are well aware of the health issues, they do it because they are selfish and irresponsible.
quite a sweeping statement you cant really back that up can you?SWoll said:
IMO the only thing that might make people like this change their attitude would be to fine/prosecute them. Do this and they might reconsider their actions in future.
Yeh because the law has a good track record of getting people to stop doing things that are bad for them. how is the war on drugs anyway?SWoll said:
Oh, and your comment about seeing them down A&E. Nice...
i thought it added a touch of classbrentmeister said:
Who the fk are you to say were selfish bds? That's a pretty broad statement to make. If I remember rightly Bob Geldof smokes, is he selfish?!
This whole topic belongs on mums net,not a motor ethusiast forum.
Who am I to comment, an ex-smoker that's who. I used to lob the occassional butt into the gutter, out the window. I also used to smoke in public and not care if it wafted over someone, it was my right after all. At the airport I was in the scrum outside making a bonfire with the rest of the sad bk are you to say were selfish bds? That's a pretty broad statement to make. If I remember rightly Bob Geldof smokes, is he selfish?!This whole topic belongs on mums net,not a motor ethusiast forum.
ds, people had to breath that crap in, did I care, not very much obviously was I a selfish sod, absolutely. By definition it's a selfish habit as you are inflicting your second hand fumes onto others. I knew it but like every other smoker ignored the issue. I also would probably be saying the same thing as you are if the roles were reversed, but luckily I quit.
And to say that the topic of smoking in the car with young children/toddlers is not wrong and that the OP and others agreeing are making a big deal out of nothing is pretty shallow.
SWoll said:
IMO the only thing that might make people like this change their attitude would be to fine/prosecute them. Do this and they might reconsider their actions in future.
You are probably right. Or they might eventually change their ways if enough people told them what they thought of their behaviour. I.e. not ignoring the problem as "they clearly have a different set of values" or some similar excuse that amounts to moral relativism.
That would probably require society to start functioning and interacting again, taking collective responsibility. So not very likely.
Robb F said:
I agree its unacceptable. But theres nothing you can do, and as said, its none of your business.
To me, it's a form of child abuse and any parent who smokes in front of their kids is a bad a parent, so yes, it's none of my business if I see child abuse going on and should just keep on walking.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff