RE: PH Fleet: Golf GTI Edition 35
Discussion
Pistonwot said:
Who cares?
Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Not a leading question this, but have you spent 12k miles and seven months in an Ed 35?Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Because I think I could fairly safely call my self a car enthusiast, and probably not sufficiently gullible to buy VW's 'marketing dross'.
And yet I was not exaggerating when I wrote that it's "the best car I have ever had the privilege of driving on a daily basis". And that includes my old Caterham Seven. And the M3 we ran on the PH fleet in 2009.
aka_kerrly said:
thewheelman said:
aka_kerrly said:
So really another glowing report for a Golf yet it won't be long before the rest of the gang turn up with comments about it's price, it's weight, it's FWD format and all the other nonsense that is spouted whenever a GTI is mentioned.
No doubt a VW fanboy. How are the negatives being pointed out in any car classed as "nonsense"? Surely most people weigh up the pros & cons before buying a car. As for the weight, BMW quote 1450Kgs unladen for a 135i coupe yet a Golf Ed 35 is quoted as 1401Kgs unladen so it isn't really that overweight.
Riggers said:
Pistonwot said:
Who cares?
Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Not a leading question this, but have you spent 12k miles and seven months in an Ed 35?Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Because I think I could fairly safely call my self a car enthusiast, and probably not sufficiently gullible to buy VW's 'marketing dross'.
And yet I was not exaggerating when I wrote that it's "the best car I have ever had the privilege of driving on a daily basis". And that includes my old Caterham Seven. And the M3 we ran on the PH fleet in 2009.
A quick browse through Pistonwot's contribution history would suggest he goes out of his way to post negative comments about cars he has no interest in.
Riggers said:
Sivraj said:
"In principle, how much dinosaur juice your performance car sucks up shouldn't be a make-or-break concern".
I have to disagree with your comment above, as this is the only reason I'm not chugging around in a Monaro or VXR8!!!
It’s also why a lot of the manufacturers are looking at the forced induction engines for there performance vehicles (BMW M5!).
I wish it wasn't a consideration or I was in a position not to care!!!!!.....
It's the difference between principle and reality, Sivraj! And the reason my other car is a Ford Puma and not a Holden HSV GTS! I have to disagree with your comment above, as this is the only reason I'm not chugging around in a Monaro or VXR8!!!
It’s also why a lot of the manufacturers are looking at the forced induction engines for there performance vehicles (BMW M5!).
I wish it wasn't a consideration or I was in a position not to care!!!!!.....
There's no excuse, both of you
aka_kerrly said:
Riggers said:
Pistonwot said:
Who cares?
Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Not a leading question this, but have you spent 12k miles and seven months in an Ed 35?Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Because I think I could fairly safely call my self a car enthusiast, and probably not sufficiently gullible to buy VW's 'marketing dross'.
And yet I was not exaggerating when I wrote that it's "the best car I have ever had the privilege of driving on a daily basis". And that includes my old Caterham Seven. And the M3 we ran on the PH fleet in 2009.
A quick browse through Pistonwot's contribution history would suggest he goes out of his way to post negative comments about cars he has no interest in.
Great write up's over the months Riggers!!
We've recently lost a much loved member of the family-the wife's Saab 9-5 estate and so now we're sharing my Golf Edition 30 which my dear OH is slowly warming to.
The disadvantage of my Golf is that its a two door which is a bit of a pain (OH: "We've got three cars and they're all two doors") so we're looking, albeit not very actively at the moment, for a four/five door and I think an Edition 35 could be just the ticket if we decide that size of car is suitable and that we don't need another estate.
Certainly more appealing to me than a 1 Series BMW, even if I could drag her into a BMW showroom which is unlikely given how snooty she says their salesmen are...
The disadvantage of my Golf is that its a two door which is a bit of a pain (OH: "We've got three cars and they're all two doors") so we're looking, albeit not very actively at the moment, for a four/five door and I think an Edition 35 could be just the ticket if we decide that size of car is suitable and that we don't need another estate.
Certainly more appealing to me than a 1 Series BMW, even if I could drag her into a BMW showroom which is unlikely given how snooty she says their salesmen are...
I own an ex Vw press office mk6 golf gti that was roadtested by autocar when it was launched in 2009, it has most of the options and was criticised for costing nearly 30k list back then. As much as I love it there is no way I would have paid that for it. But for 16k when it was 2 1/2 years old, things are different.
I get between 30 and 35 mpg out of it, closer to 40 on a run.
I am no Vw fanboy, but what I love about golf gti's is that they do nothing outstandingly, but everything very well. It looks as well outside a nightclub as it does outside the office. If I turned up in a BMW 1 series, everyone would think I was a junior sales rep. (unless it was a 1M of course).
I get between 30 and 35 mpg out of it, closer to 40 on a run.
I am no Vw fanboy, but what I love about golf gti's is that they do nothing outstandingly, but everything very well. It looks as well outside a nightclub as it does outside the office. If I turned up in a BMW 1 series, everyone would think I was a junior sales rep. (unless it was a 1M of course).
Very interesting long term test - thanks Riggers! As a Mk V GTI owner with a chip taking it to about the same power as the Ed35 I was pleased to see it was considered a superb all rounder as I've found mine.
That aside on paper I'll be after the M135 next (subject to test drives) as apart from looks, interior quality and image of drivers(!) the BMW wins hands down.
That aside on paper I'll be after the M135 next (subject to test drives) as apart from looks, interior quality and image of drivers(!) the BMW wins hands down.
Ignore the price of the thing, some people are mugs enough to pay it, so good for VW for getting away with it.
My problem is this:
26.4mpg
What ???!!! Totally unacceptable. You drive a hot hatch because it is meant to be affordable to run. Instead, we have a car that uses barely less fuel than an Audi S5 V8. That is a joke.
For this reason alone, the accolades heaped on the car by the blind and the blinkered are totally wrong. All you GTI fanboys think it is a great car, but you don't realise that you are under the control of the VW mind-control machine and subject to the media circle-jerk that surrounds them.
One day, GTI owners wake up from their brain controlled stupor and realise they are driving a souped up hatchback that uses as much fuel as a proper car. You are then forced to sell the damn thing in exchange for a car with the correct number of cylinders and the driven wheels in the right place. For less money. And with similar running costs.
Anyone who disagrees with this post is 100% wrong. You are just too deluded to know it yet.
My problem is this:
26.4mpg
What ???!!! Totally unacceptable. You drive a hot hatch because it is meant to be affordable to run. Instead, we have a car that uses barely less fuel than an Audi S5 V8. That is a joke.
For this reason alone, the accolades heaped on the car by the blind and the blinkered are totally wrong. All you GTI fanboys think it is a great car, but you don't realise that you are under the control of the VW mind-control machine and subject to the media circle-jerk that surrounds them.
One day, GTI owners wake up from their brain controlled stupor and realise they are driving a souped up hatchback that uses as much fuel as a proper car. You are then forced to sell the damn thing in exchange for a car with the correct number of cylinders and the driven wheels in the right place. For less money. And with similar running costs.
Anyone who disagrees with this post is 100% wrong. You are just too deluded to know it yet.
Riggers said:
Sivraj said:
"In principle, how much dinosaur juice your performance car sucks up shouldn't be a make-or-break concern".
I have to disagree with your comment above, as this is the only reason I'm not chugging around in a Monaro or VXR8!!!
It’s also why a lot of the manufacturers are looking at the forced induction engines for there performance vehicles (BMW M5!).
I wish it wasn't a consideration or I was in a position not to care!!!!!.....
It's the difference between principle and reality, Sivraj! And the reason my other car is a Ford Puma and not a Holden HSV GTS! I have to disagree with your comment above, as this is the only reason I'm not chugging around in a Monaro or VXR8!!!
It’s also why a lot of the manufacturers are looking at the forced induction engines for there performance vehicles (BMW M5!).
I wish it wasn't a consideration or I was in a position not to care!!!!!.....
. If I'm being sensible I'll see over 26mpg, then again it's equally possible to see 13mpg as well....Riggers said:
Pistonwot said:
Who cares?
Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Not a leading question this, but have you spent 12k miles and seven months in an Ed 35?Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Because I think I could fairly safely call my self a car enthusiast, and probably not sufficiently gullible to buy VW's 'marketing dross'.
And yet I was not exaggerating when I wrote that it's "the best car I have ever had the privilege of driving on a daily basis". And that includes my old Caterham Seven. And the M3 we ran on the PH fleet in 2009.
For me cars like this are ten a penny. I know what youre getting at but thats what really puts me off, it does 'everything' moderately to reasonably well and does nothing exceptionally. Thats why I find very little about it interesting which is the absolute opposite of what Im looking for in a purportedly sporty car.
Its laughable how its Marketed as a sports car but it is not even designed to be sporty, or a commuter, or a tourer, or a shopper, nope, its designed to be all of these things.
I look at the car and see a typically VW compromise of ALL of these things and the truth is I cant get excited about a halfway house strapped to a platform where the key design brief is it must be cheap to produce.
Its even still got the same engineered frailties as the previous platforms when you get under it and look.
Do you think the VW engineers have built the best car they possibly could or has it been artificially limited to be as good as it 'needs' to be at this time? (like the Cayman/911 farce)
aka_kerrly said:
thewheelman said:
aka_kerrly said:
So really another glowing report for a Golf yet it won't be long before the rest of the gang turn up with comments about it's price, it's weight, it's FWD format and all the other nonsense that is spouted whenever a GTI is mentioned.
No doubt a VW fanboy. How are the negatives being pointed out in any car classed as "nonsense"? Surely most people weigh up the pros & cons before buying a car. As for the weight, BMW quote 1450Kgs unladen for a 135i coupe yet a Golf Ed 35 is quoted as 1401Kgs unladen so it isn't really that overweight.
M135i (new one) 1500kg
M135i M Sport Coupe 1530kg
ED35 1401kg
All with driver and fuel.
NickJC said:
MrHooky said:
Or better still a manual M135i for less money...
I do like the look of the MKVI GTI but £30k for little over 200bhp seems a little steep.
I'm guessing the new GTI is going to have to pack c.250bhp to 'keep up' with its competition...
I suspect the VW will keep it's money better over a period than the Beemer? We paid £25k for an ex demo '08 Edition 30 5-door and I suspect it has retained a better % than my '08 335i....have to watch the VW network to see what (and if) they retail out the PH car? The VW certainly rides much better! IMO the real advantage is that its a very practical car, suits me @ 6'3" and my 5'3" wife, and when I had an A6 Quattro Avant, my teen boys preferred the rear comfort of the Golf to the A6. And I don't think VW have yet switched to run-flats (cue someone better informed to correct me..!)I do like the look of the MKVI GTI but £30k for little over 200bhp seems a little steep.
I'm guessing the new GTI is going to have to pack c.250bhp to 'keep up' with its competition...
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aka_kerrly said:
Riggers said:
Pistonwot said:
Who cares?
Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Not a leading question this, but have you spent 12k miles and seven months in an Ed 35?Its just another boring VW bland "world car".
The English translation for "world car" = Soul-less yet cheap to manufacture metal box with few redeeming features yet adorned with barely enough gimmicky flash and stuffed chock full-o-tat, OR just enough nonsense to confuse most buyers into believing the Marketing dross VW bland spend Billions producing.
If I wanted a good Golf Id buy a Mk 1, its the only decent Golf ever made.
Because I think I could fairly safely call my self a car enthusiast, and probably not sufficiently gullible to buy VW's 'marketing dross'.
And yet I was not exaggerating when I wrote that it's "the best car I have ever had the privilege of driving on a daily basis". And that includes my old Caterham Seven. And the M3 we ran on the PH fleet in 2009.
A quick browse through Pistonwot's contribution history would suggest he goes out of his way to post negative comments about cars he has no interest in.
Theres a word for that and besides, youre talking b
ks anyway. I post positive comments about the cars that I find positive is that not the point of discussion? Its not my fault I find modern metal is a lacking in everything but numbers for pub bores.aka-kerrily,
Nonsense,
I dont just vote against everything "Ive no interest in".
This is Marketed as a sporty car. I love cars and especially love sports cars and so I am massively interested in them.(ie the Golfs shore hardnesses are garbage, this is an engineered weak point,,, think about that for a moment)
Besides,,,
If its so good why just a 5.4 avge from 34 Pistonheads voters?,,,
and I alone am being pointed at as the villainous Troll because I say cars should be a lot better?
Wipe your teary eyes,,,,, are you ready for a revelation?
I am not alone in thinking that manufacturers of cars like these just stop decent car builders from being able to produce GOOD cars.
Of course I am going to deride these bland machines whenever they are being offered up as a replacement for proper cars.
The sooner they are gone the better!
Nonsense,
I dont just vote against everything "Ive no interest in".
This is Marketed as a sporty car. I love cars and especially love sports cars and so I am massively interested in them.(ie the Golfs shore hardnesses are garbage, this is an engineered weak point,,, think about that for a moment)
Besides,,,
If its so good why just a 5.4 avge from 34 Pistonheads voters?,,,
and I alone am being pointed at as the villainous Troll because I say cars should be a lot better?
Wipe your teary eyes,,,,, are you ready for a revelation?
I am not alone in thinking that manufacturers of cars like these just stop decent car builders from being able to produce GOOD cars.
Of course I am going to deride these bland machines whenever they are being offered up as a replacement for proper cars.
The sooner they are gone the better!
Pistonwot said:
aka-kerrily,
Nonsense,
I dont just vote against everything "Ive no interest in".
This is Marketed as a sporty car. I love cars and especially love sports cars and so I am massively interested in them.(ie the Golfs shore hardnesses are garbage, this is an engineered weak point,,, think about that for a moment)
Besides,,,
If its so good why just a 5.4 avge from 34 Pistonheads voters?,,,
and I alone am being pointed at as the villainous Troll because I say cars should be a lot better?
Wipe your teary eyes,,,,, are you ready for a revelation?
I am not alone in thinking that manufacturers of cars like these just stop decent car builders from being able to produce GOOD cars.
Of course I am going to deride these bland machines whenever they are being offered up as a replacement for proper cars.
The sooner they are gone the better!
A very good post. Nonsense,
I dont just vote against everything "Ive no interest in".
This is Marketed as a sporty car. I love cars and especially love sports cars and so I am massively interested in them.(ie the Golfs shore hardnesses are garbage, this is an engineered weak point,,, think about that for a moment)
Besides,,,
If its so good why just a 5.4 avge from 34 Pistonheads voters?,,,
and I alone am being pointed at as the villainous Troll because I say cars should be a lot better?
Wipe your teary eyes,,,,, are you ready for a revelation?
I am not alone in thinking that manufacturers of cars like these just stop decent car builders from being able to produce GOOD cars.
Of course I am going to deride these bland machines whenever they are being offered up as a replacement for proper cars.
The sooner they are gone the better!
We have to hold the car makers to higher standards. The fuel consumption of this car effectively makes it stupid, pointless and irrelevant, ignoring the inflated cost to purchase it.
Riggers - It is obvious you love the car but you are setting your expectations way too low. The price and efficiency factor of this car is simply not acceptable. The journalist in you should be asking VW why this car is so ridiculously thirsty and holding them to account.
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