I always find it strange when people say Lexus is anodyne. They're the most idiosyncratic of all the luxo brands and tend to split opinion like nothing else. 600H is a proper bargain btw, would much rather have one than pretty much any luxury car save for a Bentley.

I've had a few other more basic new XFs as courtesy cars and they are noticeably better (bluetooth contacts max sized a lot larger, economy more acceptable, trim seems better, touchscreen and telemetry more modern).

I understand all of what is being said. I know mine is likely not the same as every other XF, so I am not saying Jaguar or the model is the issue necessarily. I know it isn't a german marque, and I am well aware that there is more to a car than reliability and economy. There are many things that go together to make up experience, and the car does look great and is different from the herd, to a degree. However, I often do long journeys, and the small things really frustrate.

I'm not being a pain in the arse for the dealer, and if I am it is hardly my fault. They sold the car to the first owner, and took it as trade in. The guy went to an XJ I think. If he chopped it in because of issues then they would know and are keeping it from me. I would probably expect that, as much of a personal pain it is for me. It could well be a lemon.

Interestingly, he had it serviced way before scheduled date and miles. I had raised it with the dealer that perhaps he had thrashed the tits off it and consequently it had come up as "aggressive driving" and brought the service forward. That would not have caused these issues though (whilst clearly not great for me as a potential owner). It was immaculately presented at sale, and nothing to indicate it had been raped. It wasn't a company car.

I can't just forget about the niggles unfortunately, not everyone can do this. My personality dictates that stuff like this drives me nuts and I can't stop it bothering me. Victor Meldrew comparisons have been made previously (I'm 34 though).

I've had a few other more basic new XFs as courtesy cars and they are noticeably better (bluetooth contacts max sized a lot larger, economy more acceptable, trim seems better, touchscreen and telemetry more modern).

Thing is, I bought it because they look cheap for what they are compared to ze germans and I always put it down to imagery and brand. Perhaps the reason is more concrete.

I don't want a german car really, audis are boring to me, BMWs are very expensive. That's why I plumped for a Merc previously, but they are all very commonplace, quite clinical and not very beautiful. I just want a car that is the best of all, and it doesn't exist!

Fair point. Not lookers though are they? Don't see many of the hybrids about, which I always wondered about. If they are so quick and economical then why aren't other manufacturers and customers all over it?

I understand all of what is being said. I know mine is likely not the same as every other XF, so I am not saying Jaguar or the model is the issue necessarily. I know it isn't a german marque, and I am well aware that there is more to a car than reliability and economy. There are many things that go together to make up experience, and the car does look great and is different from the herd, to a degree. However, I often do long journeys, and the small things really frustrate.

I'm not being a pain in the arse for the dealer, and if I am it is hardly my fault. They sold the car to the first owner, and took it as trade in. The guy went to an XJ I think. If he chopped it in because of issues then they would know and are keeping it from me. I would probably expect that, as much of a personal pain it is for me. It could well be a lemon.

Interestingly, he had it serviced way before scheduled date and miles. I had raised it with the dealer that perhaps he had thrashed the tits off it and consequently it had come up as "aggressive driving" and brought the service forward. That would not have caused these issues though (whilst clearly not great for me as a potential owner). It was immaculately presented at sale, and nothing to indicate it had been raped. It wasn't a company car.

I can't just forget about the niggles unfortunately, not everyone can do this. My personality dictates that stuff like this drives me nuts and I can't stop it bothering me. Victor Meldrew comparisons have been made previously (I'm 34 though).

I've had a few other more basic new XFs as courtesy cars and they are noticeably better (bluetooth contacts max sized a lot larger, economy more acceptable, trim seems better, touchscreen and telemetry more modern).

Thing is, I bought it because they look cheap for what they are compared to ze germans and I always put it down to imagery and brand. Perhaps the reason is more concrete.

I don't want a german car really, audis are boring to me, BMWs are very expensive. That's why I plumped for a Merc previously, but they are all very commonplace, quite clinical and not very beautiful. I just want a car that is the best of all, and it doesn't exist!